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re: Trying to be objective...is O really a bad decision?

Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:26 pm to
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:26 pm to
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So they werent interested in hiring him in Syracuse and USC so no school in the country wanted to hire him?




Seeing as he was jobless, no. No college wanted to hire him.
Posted by Rou Leed
Member since Jun 2015
1796 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:28 pm to
I dont think he was living under an overpass. He has been compensated amply during his career. He is not going to fail to make rent or pay his child support if he misses a shift at Kanes like yourself.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37529 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:34 pm to
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I dont think he was living under an overpass. He has been compensated amply during his career. He is not going to fail to make rent or pay his child support if he misses a shift at Kanes like yourself.



Man, why do people want to take this so personal?

All we're talking about is a football program hiring or not hiring Ed Orgeron, and nothing else. This isn't personal. He resigned at USC, put his name out for multiple jobs including Syracuse, did not get a single football position, and was jobless for 2 years, meaning, yes, no school wanted to hire him until LSU did. That's just a fact. And, to our knowledge, no school offered him a better position since.

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he misses a shift at Kanes like yourself.


Never heard of this place, so no I don't work there. Tip: If you're going to insult someone (and why do the pro O's always resort to insults?) at least spell it correctly.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 5:35 pm
Posted by Rou Leed
Member since Jun 2015
1796 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:36 pm to
The point is you dont know what he was offered or not offered. And trying to paint the scenario that he was hard up for work is pretty low. And probably not accurate.
Posted by Rou Leed
Member since Jun 2015
1796 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:39 pm to
The guy probably has more money from stops at Miami, Ole Miss, Saints, and USC to be able to wait for the right job. Trying to paint him as some destitute person begging for a job is disgraceful. Particularly when you have no idea what you are talking about.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 5:40 pm
Posted by Rou Leed
Member since Jun 2015
1796 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:41 pm to
They should ban your chicken cooking arse for posting that honestly.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37529 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:42 pm to
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The point is you dont know what he was offered or not offered.


That's fair, however, one can believe that if you put your name out for a position publicly, especially for a school you have few connections to in an area of the country you have few connections to, that you're probably looking. But yes, there might be a chance that O chose to not work for a couple of years.

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And trying to paint the scenario that he was hard up for work is pretty low. And probably not accurate.



Let's be clear, O has probably made more money (certainly now) than a good portion of posters on TD. No one is trying to paint that picture that he's hard up for work, living an under an overpass. That wasn't the point. We're talking strictly about his football acumen and his value as a coach. Which, if you believe that he wasn't out of work on purpose, is a problem. That means that a good number of ADs and departments did not view O as a step up for their program. Combine that with his resume, and yeah, people should be concerned.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7943 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:43 pm to
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The point is you dont know what he was offered or not offered. And trying to paint the scenario that he was hard up for work is pretty low. And probably not accurate.


do i "know" if he was offered anything or not? no, but i can draw conclusions.

every article written about the man from 2013 onward has him being quoted as asking for specific jobs.

USC, Kansas, Syracuse.
none of those schools hired him.

can't say for 100% certainty that he didn't interview with Syracuse, but it sorta seems like that info would have leaked last year had he actually been interviewed.

in 2014 he was out of coaching and making a weekly guest appearance on a radio show openly campaigning for a job.

so i'm relatively confident that the job market wasn't exactly the land of opportunity for him the last few years.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37529 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:45 pm to
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Trying to paint him as some destitute person begging for a job is disgraceful.


You're the one projecting that image. Here is the wikipedia article:

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a 9–4 record. On December 2, 2013, ESPN reported that another former USC assistant coach under Pete Carroll—Washington head coach Steve Sarkisian—had accepted USC's offer to become the next Trojans head coach.[20] After Orgeron was passed over for the job, he resigned.[21]

LSU[edit]
On January 14, 2015, Orgeron was hired as the defensive line coach at Louisiana State University (LSU).[22]


It's just a fact, not some picture painting process. That's all on you. Did I ever use the word "overpass," "destitute," etc.?
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 5:47 pm
Posted by Rou Leed
Member since Jun 2015
1796 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:48 pm to
You implied it. Very clearly. And whatever you think about it, it worked out fricking great for O. So he absolutely made a great decision not taking lower level jobs.
Posted by Rou Leed
Member since Jun 2015
1796 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:51 pm to
Its like if you took 2 years off not working and then got a job as plant manager at a fleshlite plant.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 5:52 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37529 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:54 pm to
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You implied it.


Read again. I implied that football programs didn't want to hire O, that's all. It's certainly up for a debate, but see above. His name was floated and he campaigned and no one hired him.

O has been successful enough that that probably didn't matter for a couple of years. Good for him. You're taking this way too far.

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And whatever you think about it, it worked out fricking great for O. So he absolutely made a great decision not taking lower level jobs.


That's one way to look at it, but should we happy that O's success leads to possibly a very bad situation for LSU? I mean, if this LSU football is all about giving a guy a chance and supporting his family, then yes, we've done a fantastic job at $3.5 million. If it's about competing for NC's, eh, maybe not so good.



Posted by Cs
Member since Aug 2008
10485 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:54 pm to
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I can't take the people who keeping quoting his Ole Miss days seriously.


I'm sure there were Auburn fans that didn't think Chizik would be as bad as he was at Iowa State. They probably thought he changed, and learned from those mistakes, and would ultimately be dealing with better talent anyway.

Then the 3-9 season happened.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67601 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:22 pm to
Chizik at Iowa st and O at Orgeron are not comparable
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7943 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:27 pm to
5-19 vs 3-21 seems pretty comparable.

then Chizik bought a once in a lifetime QB.
and was TERRIBLE without him.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22797 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:35 pm to
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He may be successful, but the hiring is a failure.


Boom! Right there!!! The truth comes out on how half of the people on this board think. If CEO goes undefeated next season it it still a horrible horrible move!
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28505 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:35 pm to
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Not sure we really know that or not. Are you sure O didnt receive job offers? Im pretty sure he could have gotten a job at a lower level but chose not to.

We'll he publicly lobbied for an interview at syracuse last year, a school he had history with already.

He did not get that interview.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28505 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:42 pm to
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omegaman66


You are an idiot sir

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He may be successful, but the hiring is a failure.


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Boom! Right there!!! The truth comes out on how half of the people on this board think. If CEO goes undefeated next season it it still a horrible horrible move!


You apparently don't understand what that post said. The point is, no matter the success O has going forward, there was absolutely no justification for hiring him the first place, making it a failure of a hire.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36175 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:44 pm to
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Chizik at Iowa st and O at Orgeron are not comparable




At Ole Miss? Why not? Both were terrible outcomes and worse records than the coaches before or after.

I guess you could point out Chizik had some qualifications as a defensive coordinator?
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
22173 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 8:59 pm to
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This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 9:00 pm
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