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Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:40 pm to biglego
Then, shouldn't she be suing her parents? If your daughter told you she was being sexually abused and your priest told you the same, wouldn't you call the cops?
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:41 pm to Golfer
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Priests, and other Religious and lay personnel and volunteers in the Church are required to report abuse to authorities. The confessional is the only issue here.
Clergy is exempt in all states, I believe, regardless. Unless the church itself is requiring it.
Even still, I think the church could come out and change their stance on the confessional. Religion needs to evolve, and this is an area that it should. Again, mandates reporting is only relevant to people who are seen as "vulnerable" (ie kids, the elderly, mentally ill, etc)
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:48 pm to cecrm
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I believe the woman making the claims has said that what she told the priest was not in confession. That pos Jeff Bayhi is using this BS argument to protect himself from not having to admit that he told a 14 year old girl to not tellanyone that George Charlet was molesting her. Oh and btw, Bayhi was friends with George Charlet, and Charlet was a big donor to Bayhi's church
This is very correct. Especially the part about Bayhi being a piece of shite.
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:50 pm to Epic Cajun
God kills every motherf$&ker
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:50 pm to Tiger in NY
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Even still, I think the church could come out and change their stance on the confessional.
You know you can still go to an anonymous confession?
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:51 pm to Golfer
They can see from their side of the screen.
They know who you are.
They know who you are.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:56 pm to Golfer
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You know you can still go to an anonymous confession?
And you know if a kid sounding person comes and tells you they are being raped, that you could ask how old they are and come around the screen to help them.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:56 pm to jbgleason
quote:I agree with that on the OP.
This case was about the sanctity of the confessional. Crappy thread title and OP.
quote:I'll go ahead and say that a child being sexually abused is more important than anyone's religious freedoms, but that's just me.
I am sure you can't grasp the danger of allowing the government to put restrictions on our religious freedom.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:57 pm to Tiger in NY
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And you know if a kid sounding person comes and tells you they are being raped, that you could ask how old they are and come around the screen to help them.
I was referring to instances where adults were confessing to a criminal act.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:01 pm to Golfer
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I was referring to instances where adults were confessing to a criminal act.
Would not be covered by mandated reporting though. Maybe I am missing the point you are making. A psychologist does not have to report an adult client saying they killed someone (only if they are going to kill someone), but they do if a kid or elderly person is being abused.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:04 pm to Golfer
The argument you need to be countering us with is spousal privilege. That's the weakness in our argument.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:07 pm to boosiebadazz
There's no spousal privilege for child abuse, if that's what you're referring to. At least not in Louisiana and probably not anywhere.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:11 pm to biglego
Maybe your own children but for other children too? If so, that strengthens my argument. I'd like to see the case law on compelling a spouse to testify to the crimes of the other spouse.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:20 pm to boosiebadazz
No as far as I know there's spousal privilege for crimes against other kids. Not for the kid of either parent.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:23 pm to boosiebadazz
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You're putting an individual's religion over the overarching good of society. I'm not aware of another instance in which that is allowed.
Allowing burkhas.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:27 pm to colorchangintiger
That's a good one, but then you get into the balancing test of what the good is for society versus the harm the law would place on the individual.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:35 pm to kingbob
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In this case, the priest told the parents and tried to get the abuser to stop.
I don't believe this is correct. If Bayhi(priest) did notify the parents, he broke the seal of confession and would be excommunicated. Although he definitely knew about the relationship being inappropriate outside of a confession b/c Charlet's wife told Bayhi she found improper emails that her husband had sent to the victim. It was also obvious to many that the 64 year old spent a little too much time with a 14 year old. The victim also claims that she wasn't 'confessing' when she discussed the abuse with the priest. Bayhi is a state mandated reporter (outside of confession) and should have reported that but he didn't. He tried to hide the abuse and he is now claiming everything he was told was during confession to cover his arse. It's incredibly conveinent that the priest can't discuss the confession AND he gets to deem everything was 'during confession'.
If my memory is correct, Bayhi tried to have a meeting b/t the Charlets and the victim's parents once things got out of hand. My memory is fuzzy on the details, b/c I read the filing & rulings a couple years ago. Bayhi was trying to keep things quiet b/c Charlet was probably the most prominent parishioner at his church.
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the abuser died from a sudden cancer diagnosis. I think God stepped in on this one.
George Charlet died from complications during knee surgery. LINK.. It's unfortunate b/c he needed to go to prison and suffer the shame that he deserved. Death was an easy out for him.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:36 pm to jbgleason
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am sure you can't grasp the danger of allowing the government to put restrictions on our religious freedom.
god forbid we put away religious sexual predators
it looks to me like you cant grasp that religious freedoms dont trump the law of the land, sexual assault is a crime.
By your logic a murderer could waltz into a confessional and admit to serial killings and that would be fine and dandy if the priest didnt turn him in or report it.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:40 pm to notbilly
Looks like Bayhi conducted the funeral for him as well
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