re: PJ Fleck for LSU: 13-0 & MAC Champs edition (#ReauxTheBeauxt)

I agree with that in some respects but some will look at Herman having OC experience at OSU as the real difference maker. Fleck was never more than a WR coach. Some will say HC = HC while some see OC + HC > HC

But ya, if we're narrowing it down to WM and UH, I don't see the practical difference if a else was equal.

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but not the difference between "give that guy a blank check" and "can't handle this job"

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Not sure why Herman is a "can't miss" hire and Fleck is a "he needs more time" guy. People get so emotionally tied to who they think is right that they can't reasonably consider another option.

I don't know who is the better choice, but when people use excuses such as "he has little kids and just got divorced" or "He is from Chicago" as to why he isn't ready.... I think the counter to that is HE built a program from the ground up to contending for the MAC championship. He improved his team every year! He had the best recruiting class in the MAC four straight years! While these things don't make him the "can't miss" hire, he has been a head coach longer than Herman. Herman didn't build his program. And this doesn't mean Herman is not a great hire, it just shows you can pick apart almost any candidate.

I know I am not picking the coach but he is right up there after Herman and Jimbo. As it was said before, Saban and CUM were MAC coaches. He will get a big program job soon. When that happens he will be a big name and take a huge paycheck at a top tier school. I say take a chance. He'll can't get no worst then what it was before.

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Not bothered at all, but like a little b@tch you complained that you were called ignorant for saying Fleck wasn't ready. I specifically said your comment "And no, he is not ready for the LSU Job" was an "ignorant statement", it's like I stated before, you have a comprehension problem.

I find it amusing you have to follow me around responding to my posts..... It appears you are the one who is "bothered".

Elite

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i don't get why 2 years at Houston is so much better than what Fleck has done to the point some people want to drop 8 million plus to get him to BR, but yet somehow this guy needs to work his way up the ladder more.

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well herman has individual characteristics that people like more. point #1: he's smart as frick. that's my big thing with herman. while being smart as frick doesn't mean you're going to be a great HC, the combo of showing you can coach + being smart as frick is a combo i like

but a bigger thing in this fleck discussion is the pressure. media pressure, booster pressure, conference pressure, etc. no matter how you slice it, houston is a higher profile spot with a harsher spotlight on it than WMU. fleck has done a great job at WMU but he literally had no expectations, no pressure, etc. i'm not talking about LSU with Fleck just generally. i think he needs to prove he can handle a program with some expectations and media pressure.

that's one area where being an OC of a super elite school (like herman was) gives you some edge. not only was he likely working directly in step with Urban (and i'm sure he learned a ton about running a program from one of the GOAT, while Fleck's mentor is greg schiano), he's had to deal with one of the programs with the highest expectations and pressure in the nation as teh #2 guy.

so even if you ignore the traditional "moving up the ranks" stuff (in terms of comprehension of the game itself, really), you just have a bit more of a shot of having a guy who understands the entire package of a major program. that's why i think fleck needs one more step in a bit of a better program OR to build WMU up to where they start to get some real media focus on them for a bit. some guys just can't handle it well and we don't know if fleck has that ability yet

WMU now 7-0

Dude can coach. Has to be on the short list.

if he could cajun up his name a bit our fans would love the hire...