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LSU, the coaching talent pool is shallow
Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:04 am
Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:04 am
LSU is about to realize that after Herman there are few realistic names that get a fan base excited. Look at some coaching searches at big time programs the last few years and see how far down the list schools like UF and Tenn had to go. UF got turned down by Hugh Freeze and Tenn had Jones at about 4 or 5 on their wish list. Also, Strong was not #1 on Texas's list.
Some LSU poster said in the "being honest" thread a week ago he was "scared of what may happen after Miles", and that is a reasonable fear. Look at LSU football before the Saban/Miles era....it's damn ugly.
Who is the REALISTIC homerun hire after Herman? I don't know if there is one. There was not a long list of homerun hires in SC's search last year. After Herman turned down SC the next hot name seemed to be Kirby Smart.....after Smart there just really wasn't a hot, perceived to be slam dunk hire. It doesn't matter that it was SC looking, it could have been UF again or even Texas and those two names would have been at the top for those schools too.
Good luck LSU, you'll need it......you are a non-Herman hire away from returning to the '90s.
Some LSU poster said in the "being honest" thread a week ago he was "scared of what may happen after Miles", and that is a reasonable fear. Look at LSU football before the Saban/Miles era....it's damn ugly.
Who is the REALISTIC homerun hire after Herman? I don't know if there is one. There was not a long list of homerun hires in SC's search last year. After Herman turned down SC the next hot name seemed to be Kirby Smart.....after Smart there just really wasn't a hot, perceived to be slam dunk hire. It doesn't matter that it was SC looking, it could have been UF again or even Texas and those two names would have been at the top for those schools too.
Good luck LSU, you'll need it......you are a non-Herman hire away from returning to the '90s.
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Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:06 am to Toneski
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Who is the REALISTIC homerun hire after Herman?
You mean perceived home run of course. No one knows for sure that he would be successful at LSU.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:06 am to Toneski
Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:08 am to Toneski
Saban wasn't a homerun
Miles wasn't a homerun
Jimbo for FSU wasn't a homerun-more of a safe pick
it just doesn't always work that way. Plenty of guys who could succeed at LSU.
you now who was considered a home run? Muschamp to UF. See what I mean?
Miles wasn't a homerun
Jimbo for FSU wasn't a homerun-more of a safe pick
it just doesn't always work that way. Plenty of guys who could succeed at LSU.
you now who was considered a home run? Muschamp to UF. See what I mean?
Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:12 am to Toneski
How many coaches besides Miles could go below .500 in SEC play over the last 4 years?
Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:17 am to Toneski
Strong was a big name. It's really easy to forget how successful he was pre Texas. Sure they wanted Saban but how far down the list could Strong have been?
Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:23 am to Toneski
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Who is the REALISTIC homerun hire after Herman?
There is no realistic homerun including Herman. Charlie strong and James franklin were two very hot coaches much like Herman. They both may be looking for employment at the end of the year.
There have only been three "home run" hires in recent memory. Saban to bama, Urban to Ohio St. and Harbaugh to Michigan.
There have been many Tom Herman's over time. Hell Briles and Sumlin are two from the same school. Bryan Kelly and Butch Jones from Cinn.
Clemson promoted Dabo from a staff that was fired. That didn't look like a home run hire. It was.
LSU needs to get the best coach they can get, no matter the name. I don't care if it's a defensive guy or offensive guy. Just be a damn good recruiter. The reason, there is no exact science to getting a successful coach. If they recruit and don't pan out, you still have something to work with for the next guy. The worst thing you can do is hire a Archer, Coker, Brown in his later years, dooley, spurrier in his later years, etc. Guys that didn't keep the talent coming and it takes years to rebuild.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:23 am to Toneski
Yet coach O had less than a week to prepare for a game with the same talent that Less Miles had and the team did a complete 180 so gtfoh with your fear. Mickey Mouse could do a better job of coaching than what miles and Cameron had on display on a weekly basis. Don't matter who we hire LSU will be better off
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Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:30 am to Toneski
What outsiders fail to admit or see is the path LSU was going down with Miles. It was over for him and he had been declining for several years. LSU spent a ton of money on assistants to try to keep Miles afloat. There are plenty of coaches out there that can maintain/improve from where Lsu has been the last 3 years. Also home run hires make a splash but those don't always work out. Plenty of good coaches out there that could do great things at LSU given the resources. Herman appears to be the real deal but if you take a step back his 2 big wins are an overrated OU that has disappointed plenty of times in recent years and a FSU team in a bowl that had no desire to be there. The rest of the games were garbage opponents outside of Lousiville last year.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:48 am to Toneski
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Posted on 10/4/16 at 8:54 am to Toneski
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LSU is about to realize that after Herman there are few realistic names that get a fan base excited.
Winning games gets people excited, hopefully that is #1 over what name will make a splash.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 9:20 am to Toneski
Fresh news....no one has thought of this underlying theme yet 
Posted on 10/4/16 at 9:22 am to Toneski
PJ FLECK!!!
Posted on 10/4/16 at 9:44 am to Toneski
The only "homerun" hire would be had by taking the bama approach and throwing the bank at a pro coach.
An offensive guru would be in order and preferably someone with an extensive college resume, so Chip Kelly is your man.
Start at $7mm/yr for 10 yrs and go from there, that is, if you're serious. If not, then who really cares?
An offensive guru would be in order and preferably someone with an extensive college resume, so Chip Kelly is your man.
Start at $7mm/yr for 10 yrs and go from there, that is, if you're serious. If not, then who really cares?
Posted on 10/4/16 at 9:55 am to Toneski
Miles had plateaued at LSU. This was his most talented team in years and after 4 games (really just one) it was clear he refused to make the necessary adjustments to possibly bring LSU from a perennial 2+ loss team. LSU could have kept Miles for another 10 years and the play on the field would have been the same. He refused to acknowledge his approach was wrong and that's why he's out of a job.
As far as the next guy is concerned, who knows who the "homerun" hire will be? It's very likely that LSU won't get the perceived "homerun" coach. However, the last two hires weren't met with great fanfare, yet they seemed to work out ok. LSU has some built-in advantages to make it a place where good coaches can win.
Stupidity spouted off by someone who was either not alive in the 80's or has no idea about the history of LSU football.
Bo Rein was hired to coach the 1980 season. He died before ever coaching a game which left LSU in an unexpected scramble mode. Stovall stepped in and did a pretty good job getting guys to come here. Unfortunately, he wasn't that great of a coach. LSU then hired an older pro coach (Arnsbarger) to come in. He did a great job with Stovall's talent, but didn't care about recruiting. Joe Dean then made 3 successive cheap hires (Archer, Hallman and Dinardo). Once LSU decided to spend some money and make football a monetary priority (with the formation of TAF), things took off. Saban wasn't cheap and LSU spent a ton to upgrade the facilities. When Miles was hired, LSU made it a point to continue upgrading the facilities AND pay a ton for assistant coaches.
I don't know who LSU is going to eventually hire, but I'm confident they will devote significant resources to whoever they get. The only way LSU goes back to the 90's is if they get hit with serious probation (which crippled powerhouses like Oklahoma, USC, and Alabama for a time), or they decide to stop spending money
As far as the next guy is concerned, who knows who the "homerun" hire will be? It's very likely that LSU won't get the perceived "homerun" coach. However, the last two hires weren't met with great fanfare, yet they seemed to work out ok. LSU has some built-in advantages to make it a place where good coaches can win.
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you are a non-Herman hire away from returning to the '90s.
Stupidity spouted off by someone who was either not alive in the 80's or has no idea about the history of LSU football.
Bo Rein was hired to coach the 1980 season. He died before ever coaching a game which left LSU in an unexpected scramble mode. Stovall stepped in and did a pretty good job getting guys to come here. Unfortunately, he wasn't that great of a coach. LSU then hired an older pro coach (Arnsbarger) to come in. He did a great job with Stovall's talent, but didn't care about recruiting. Joe Dean then made 3 successive cheap hires (Archer, Hallman and Dinardo). Once LSU decided to spend some money and make football a monetary priority (with the formation of TAF), things took off. Saban wasn't cheap and LSU spent a ton to upgrade the facilities. When Miles was hired, LSU made it a point to continue upgrading the facilities AND pay a ton for assistant coaches.
I don't know who LSU is going to eventually hire, but I'm confident they will devote significant resources to whoever they get. The only way LSU goes back to the 90's is if they get hit with serious probation (which crippled powerhouses like Oklahoma, USC, and Alabama for a time), or they decide to stop spending money
Posted on 10/4/16 at 11:16 am to Toneski
You're assuming Herman would be a home run hire. That's not even a guarantee.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 11:23 am to Toneski
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Look at LSU football before the Saban/Miles era....it's damn ugly
#9 in the country when I graduated in 1990.
That's not all that ugly.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 12:39 pm to Toneski
New names pop up every year. Even the Jimbo fans are wavering. The ones that aren't think his team is underperforming because he's on his way to br, which is bush league.
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