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re: 300 Minute Wait Time for Frozen Ride at WDW
Posted on 6/22/16 at 9:18 am to GeauxColonels
Posted on 6/22/16 at 9:18 am to GeauxColonels
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And virtually nobody rode it.
That's because Disney practically hid it. I guarantee you that a lot of causal visitors (the kind not of the type that plan things down to the minute on spreadsheets) weren't even aware of its existence and passed it right by. First, almost none of the country pavilions have rides, so people aren't expecting rides back there in the first place. Second, it was tucked back in that pavilion and there wasn't a lot of signage to entice people toward it. I remember when I was a kid and we went to Disney for the first time - we just kind of stumbled on Maelstrom and were like "Holy crap, it's a ride? Let's do it!"
When we were kids we called it "The Secret Ride at Epcot". That goes to show you how well they did at making people aware of it.
Disney failed Maelstrom, not the other way around.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 9:35 am
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Posted on 6/22/16 at 9:31 am to GeauxColonels
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But, as others have noted, the ride had technical problems all day long which is really nothing new for any Disney attraction. It always takes a few weeks to get a ride up to normal expected operating performance.
Can you imagine the scarred for life lawsuit meltdown if Elsa suffered the same malfunction ol honest Abe had leaking red hydraulic fluid back in the day?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 9:40 am to Stud Bud
I've been going to WDW for almost 40 years. They were experts at the business of managing people. Everything was engineered with the lessons they learned with Disneyland. However, it has become increasingly obvious they still have a 20th Century mindset (however much they've embraced technology for support purposes) to managing attractions and keeping people moving around the park.
The number of folks coming to the area - just for their parks and Universal, has increased about 10 fold in 45 years. And something has to give. The new attractions are a microcosm of the problem. This is what, a 5 minute experience? 5 hours of waiting for 5 minutes - and you've paid $50 to $100 per person for park entry that day?
Epcot pulls about 30k people a day. They can get 1000 per hour through Frozen. Math, bitches.
The number of folks coming to the area - just for their parks and Universal, has increased about 10 fold in 45 years. And something has to give. The new attractions are a microcosm of the problem. This is what, a 5 minute experience? 5 hours of waiting for 5 minutes - and you've paid $50 to $100 per person for park entry that day?
Epcot pulls about 30k people a day. They can get 1000 per hour through Frozen. Math, bitches.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 9:48 am to Ace Midnight
The first time I saw that giant arse rig was awesome at the end of Maelstrom, only rivaled by the time I went went out to Green Canyon and saw the real thing years later
Posted on 6/22/16 at 9:49 am to Cooter Davenport
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That's because Disney practically hid it. I guarantee you that a lot of causal visitors (the kind not of the type that plan things down to the minute on spreadsheets) weren't even aware of its existence and passed it right by. First, almost none of the country pavilions have rides, so people aren't expecting rides back there in the first place. Second, it was tucked back in that pavilion and there wasn't a lot of signage to entice people toward it. I remember when I was a kid and we went to Disney for the first time - we just kind of stumbled on Maelstrom and were like "Holy crap, it's a ride? Let's do it!"
When we were kids we called it "The Secret Ride at Epcot". That goes to show you how well they did at making people aware of it.
Disney failed Maelstrom, not the other way around.
Just because you didn't realize it was there doesn't mean others didn't. The Frozen signage is in the same spot that the Maelstrom signage was. Ridership on the attraction had been waning for years now. It used to pull in many more people in years past. Hell, they were smart with the design of the attraction because it had the open waterfall that drew people into the pavilion. Then you'd see a boat almost go over the falls and it would entice you to ride. Signage wasn't the problem. The problem was that people didn't want to ride an attraction where there was no connection to the characters or story and had gone virtually unchanged since opening 20 years ago. And then add to that the people that rode it expecting a thrill ride but were disappointed with 2 meager drops at best.
The rerideability of the attraction wasn't there for the typical guest. Tying the attraction in with such a popular franchise was the smartest thing they could have done to drive people into the ride again.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 9:55 am to Itismemc
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The first time I saw that giant arse rig was awesome at the end of Maelstrom
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:01 am to dbeck
quote:You sir, win the internet for the day.
Now you know how your ex girlfriends all felt
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:04 am to DanMullins4Life
The North Sea rig at the end was bawwwws!
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:13 am to Stud Bud
when I last went to Disney the wait was 200 minutes just to see Elsa and Anna. I refused.
Going again next Feburary but by then the lines won't be as long. I am sure this and the Snow White ride are 'must dos" though I will miss the Matterhorn.
Going again next Feburary but by then the lines won't be as long. I am sure this and the Snow White ride are 'must dos" though I will miss the Matterhorn.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:19 am to Napoleon
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when I last went to Disney the wait was 200 minutes just to see Elsa and Anna.
Same when I went. I just used a fastpass.
Im a planner and that's an absolute must for Disney. Although when we go, we usually spend 6 days. 3 in MK so we get 9 fast passes over 3 days. For epcot we just get there early because now there are three long line rides.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:32 am to Scooba
That isnt the ride. And from what we have been told, it was one of the mechanical Olaf's that was breaking.
We have had horrible luck with things breaking this trip. On Mon the Little Mermaid show broke mid show so everyone had to leave. Then yesterday Soren was already broken when we got there until around 1030 or so. Then of course there was frozen being broken all day. Now we just went to Enchanted Tales with Belle and it was down. I guess I can go take a nap at the Hall of Presidents
We have had horrible luck with things breaking this trip. On Mon the Little Mermaid show broke mid show so everyone had to leave. Then yesterday Soren was already broken when we got there until around 1030 or so. Then of course there was frozen being broken all day. Now we just went to Enchanted Tales with Belle and it was down. I guess I can go take a nap at the Hall of Presidents
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:44 am to Napoleon
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I am sure this and the Snow White ride are 'must dos" though I will miss the Matterhorn.
Huh?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:45 am to ThatMakesSense
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I'm super curious to hear what you'd wait in line 5 hours for?
For me, anything that involves an OT 10. After that, the list shrinks considerably.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:47 am to GeauxColonels
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Huh?
The Matterhorn is at Disney Land, I believe.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:52 am to Stud Bud
Can you still hire handicap people to come with you and go to the front of every line?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:55 am to Cooter Davenport
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The Matterhorn is at Disney Land, I believe.
Yes, it's in Disneyland.....hence the "Huh?" since he was talking about Disney World.
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Can you still hire handicap people to come with you and go to the front of every line?
That system was revamped almost immediately after the article came out exposing the practice. So, no, not really.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 10:56 am
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:12 pm to Napoleon
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when I last went to Disney the wait was 200 minutes just to see Elsa and Anna. I refused.
I've been to Disney a few times, its been a few years, but I remember the characters just walking around the park and snapping a quick pic or two. It seems Disney has gotten so obsessed with making a line for everything and has taken away the fun of randomly spotting a character here and there.
No way in hell I'm waiting 2+ hours to take a picture.
If character meet & greets are this popular, Disney should be proactive and build a structure in each park that's solely for M&G's, and has multiple of the same characters, to keep lines from being outrageous.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:20 pm to Bad Medicine
pay for the entire day at WDW just to ride that...no way
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:33 pm to GeauxColonels
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Just because you didn't realize it was there doesn't mean others didn't. The Frozen signage is in the same spot that the Maelstrom signage was. Ridership on the attraction had been waning for years now. It used to pull in many more people in years past. Hell, they were smart with the design of the attraction because it had the open waterfall that drew people into the pavilion. Then you'd see a boat almost go over the falls and it would entice you to ride. Signage wasn't the problem. The problem was that people didn't want to ride an attraction where there was no connection to the characters or story and had gone virtually unchanged since opening 20 years ago. And then add to that the people that rode it expecting a thrill ride but were disappointed with 2 meager drops at best. The rerideability of the attraction wasn't there for the typical guest. Tying the attraction in with such a popular franchise was the smartest thing they could have done to drive people into the ride again.
Holy cow, how do you know so much about all things Disney?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:45 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:more than 10 fold. Magic kingdom sees 20mill per year. The others are around 11 mill. About. 20% increase in just 10 years. But there hasn't been a new park since 1998. The parks can't handle the increase without largely affecting lines. There is no offseason anymore. Adding rides doesn't solve the problem.
The number of folks coming to the area - just for their parks and Universal, has increased about 10 fold in 45 years. And something has to give. The new attractions are a microcosm of the problem. This is what, a 5 minute experience? 5 hours of waiting for 5 minutes - and you've paid $50 to $100 per person for park entry that day?
Epcot pulls about 30k people a day. They can get 1000 per hour through Frozen. Math, bitches.
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