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re: Finally watched Star Wars......My lord
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:37 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:37 am to OMLandshark
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Because he's poorly trained, is not as powerful as he thinks he is, and is conflicted as hell. Confliction and the Force don't really go all that well together. Kylo Ren is weak, and he himself knows it.
Everything you need to know about the character is really shown by his lightsaber. Highly flawed, un-focused, conflicted, out of control, unstable, and dangerous. Unlike say Darth Maul, where his lightsaber just says he's a bad arse and that's it.
Yeah, I really like what they're doing with Kylo. The problem is people just have no patience anymore. We still have two more films for him to be fleshed out. I believe he'll have an excellent character arc.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:40 am to rintintin
I'm not a big Star Wars guy either. I did enjoy the original movies, but I was never real big into it like Batman, Superman, or most comic movies.
I really enjoyed this movie. I thought the movie did a great job feeding nostalgia. Although I was never a giant Star Wars fan, everyone remembers Han Solo, Chewy, and the Mill Falcon. They did a great job incorporating those things into a new story, IMO. It had very funny moments balanced with well needed seriousness. I felt like they gave us an introduction to some very deep new characters.
As far as it having a similar plot to the original? OK. That's your opinion. There were some similarities, but for me, the movie was different enough. It would make sense for me that the bad guys would have a similar goal now as they had in the past.
The important things to me for this movie were 1)It had to be fun. We needed fun new characters who have good chemistry and great dialogue. They had to work well together on screen. Like the original characters. Check 2)Great visuals and score. Check. 3) Nostalgia feels. Check. I think that they not only got these things right, but fricking nailed it. So, I enjoyed it immensely for those reasons.
I will say that I as well was not impressed and disappointed by the villain. I understand and I think they achieved what they were going for. They wanted a dorky looking guy who has an inferiority complex. I think it was their way to try to establish something new and different from the iconic Darth Vader. They could have achieved this with someone who just works better on screen in that setting. I just feel they went a little too far with it. From the guy they cast to his WAY overreacting outburst. I just think they could have cast better and toned him down a little. At first I thought I had a problem with Ren taking his mask off too early in the movie, then I realized I just had a problem with who they cast overall. I think it could have worked better overall with someone different. I just wasn't a fan of the final product of Kylo Ren.
I really enjoyed this movie. I thought the movie did a great job feeding nostalgia. Although I was never a giant Star Wars fan, everyone remembers Han Solo, Chewy, and the Mill Falcon. They did a great job incorporating those things into a new story, IMO. It had very funny moments balanced with well needed seriousness. I felt like they gave us an introduction to some very deep new characters.
As far as it having a similar plot to the original? OK. That's your opinion. There were some similarities, but for me, the movie was different enough. It would make sense for me that the bad guys would have a similar goal now as they had in the past.
The important things to me for this movie were 1)It had to be fun. We needed fun new characters who have good chemistry and great dialogue. They had to work well together on screen. Like the original characters. Check 2)Great visuals and score. Check. 3) Nostalgia feels. Check. I think that they not only got these things right, but fricking nailed it. So, I enjoyed it immensely for those reasons.
I will say that I as well was not impressed and disappointed by the villain. I understand and I think they achieved what they were going for. They wanted a dorky looking guy who has an inferiority complex. I think it was their way to try to establish something new and different from the iconic Darth Vader. They could have achieved this with someone who just works better on screen in that setting. I just feel they went a little too far with it. From the guy they cast to his WAY overreacting outburst. I just think they could have cast better and toned him down a little. At first I thought I had a problem with Ren taking his mask off too early in the movie, then I realized I just had a problem with who they cast overall. I think it could have worked better overall with someone different. I just wasn't a fan of the final product of Kylo Ren.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 11:51 am
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:41 am to rintintin
the Finn character was god awful
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:44 am to The Egg
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the Finn character was god awful
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:45 am to OMLandshark
Anyone saying Kylo was a better villain than Vader in any film needs to get their head checked. He just isn't. Vader steals the scene, there is no conflict, the dude was 100% bad and you know it. Kylo is just angry, with a cool outfit.
Bottom line about this movie was that it was for people that enjoyed the originals. It was supposed to be a reboot, a shot in the arm, and to me, they actually did a good job. It wasn't a great movie though, but for what it was, I found it very enjoyable.
Bottom line about this movie was that it was for people that enjoyed the originals. It was supposed to be a reboot, a shot in the arm, and to me, they actually did a good job. It wasn't a great movie though, but for what it was, I found it very enjoyable.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:46 am to Sasquatch Smash
Such a good and well thought out response, then you go here and show your pretentiousness:
I explained in a post further down why I didn't like his character. It's not simply because he's a whiny bitch, but the lack of a true powerful villain he puts off.
Never did he seem like a force (no pun intended) to be reckoned with.
I get the "he's still learning", "he's conflicted", factors, but they could have been portrayed in a way that didn't make him seem useless.
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The gripe about Kylo Ren just makes me think you're a little stupid and need things to be painted for you in black and white.
I explained in a post further down why I didn't like his character. It's not simply because he's a whiny bitch, but the lack of a true powerful villain he puts off.
Never did he seem like a force (no pun intended) to be reckoned with.
I get the "he's still learning", "he's conflicted", factors, but they could have been portrayed in a way that didn't make him seem useless.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:47 am to rintintin
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This is what ruins it though. You never got a sense that he was this evil unstoppable villain, which is really what villains are supposed to elicit in you.
A good villain, you should be thinking "there's no way the hero can beat this guy". He's too powerful, it's a lost cause. Which makes it more riveting when they finally do.
Never did you get that sense here. Actually, you get the opposite. You think "this dude's such a little bitch there's no way the dark side wins."
They should have played more on the conflicting part, and not made him look as weak as they did.
That is not at all what a great villain is supposed to be. If you want that, go with Doomsday. Tons of the all time great villains were plagued with insecurities, and that's why they do what they do.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:47 am to OceanMan
Lol the Kylo knighting is still strong. Guy was a shitty character and made the movie much worse. All you have to do is watch the undercover boss SNL skit to realize how shite that character was.....
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 11:48 am
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:51 am to Sasquatch Smash
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The gripe about Kylo Ren just makes me think you're a little stupid and need things to be painted for you in black and white.
That and him saying that a great villain has to be black and white evil. The great villains I rather think are quite the opposite and have to justify every bit of evil they do in the film. Sure there are total monsters that work, but I'd much rather have some complexity in a character.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:53 am to rintintin
I always see these threads and thank god I'm not a fricking cinema snob. Why would you go into a movie knowing you will nitpick? Sounds miserable.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:54 am to OMLandshark
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That and him saying that a great villain has to be black and white evil.
Where did I say that?
Actually I said the opposite, I said they should've played MORE to his conflicting view.
I'm fine with us having opposing views on the matter, but don't come here being all pretentious and making shite up. That's a shitty and lazy way to debate.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:59 am to rintintin
I hated the femcentric plot, but that's the world we live in.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:20 pm to OMLandshark
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Because you're missing the point. It needed to be a soft reboot from what they're planning on doing with the franchise. Yes, the plot is roughly ANH, but I think it had a better hero, a better villain (just off of ANH alone), a better sacrifice, a better lightsaber duel, and better final scene. I think it's second next to Empire and narrowly better than ANH.
This. All of it.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:21 pm to rintintin
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You never got a sense that he was this evil unstoppable villain, which is really what villains are supposed to elicit in you.
Did you miss the part when they slaughtered an entire village of innocent people? Or he murdered his own dad?
Every villain has to be an absolutely evil 100% undefeatbale force of nature? That's sounds terrible.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:29 pm to Breesus
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Did you miss the part when they slaughtered an entire village of innocent people? Or he murdered his own dad
Lmao right?
People are just looking to be different or bitch about something.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:33 pm to WicKed WayZ
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let's not act like The force awakens dialogue was any worse. The only Star Wars movie with good dialogue was Empire.
How old are you?
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:36 pm to Breesus
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Did you miss the part when they slaughtered an entire village of innocent people? Or he murdered his own dad?
I never said he wasn't evil. He surely was, and I even said he started out looking promising.
I also said I have no problem with his good/evil confliction.
Same as OML you aren't reading my posts and seem too upset that I didn't like your movie to have a reasonable discussion about it.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:38 pm to rintintin
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I explained in a post further down why I didn't like his character. It's not simply because he's a whiny bitch, but the lack of a true powerful villain he puts off.
Never did he seem like a force (no pun intended) to be reckoned with.
I get the "he's still learning", "he's conflicted", factors, but they could have been portrayed in a way that didn't make him seem useless.
Yet you you complained of the play being too similar to the first, but wanted the villain to be the same as Vader?
My point was you could not "handle" a nuanced villain. He was a "kid" playing dress up. Trying desperately to be something he's not or wasn't raised to be. Trying to live up to a ghost he's never met.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:50 pm to rintintin
If you're getting out of this movie that he's a "villain," I think you're reading the signs wrong. Hes portrayed as a morally confused character whose heart just isn't in it. They're setting up his actions for forthcoming movies. He's an antagonist but if this trilogy ends with Ben Solo as the villain, I'd be absolutely shocked m:
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