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Posted on 5/30/16 at 4:07 pm to bugafor6
Hell No
Posted on 5/30/16 at 6:03 pm to Lester Earl
This is so obvious idk how he doesn't see that.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 6:27 pm to theducks
It's obvious.
But his point matters because what exactly is Okafor doing for you if he isn't the hub in the post and getting 15+ shots? Or is bringing Davis's usage down by having him spot up and watch Okafor really the way to go?
Maybe they can work it out a la Gasol/ZBo. But you're asking Davis, an efficient volume scorer, to become Gasol. Thats rather bold IMO
But his point matters because what exactly is Okafor doing for you if he isn't the hub in the post and getting 15+ shots? Or is bringing Davis's usage down by having him spot up and watch Okafor really the way to go?
Maybe they can work it out a la Gasol/ZBo. But you're asking Davis, an efficient volume scorer, to become Gasol. Thats rather bold IMO
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:25 pm to Starchild
Oak us a perfect fit for no. He's a legit center that commands a double team, ad plays defense
Sixers get
Number 6 pick, next year's first top 5 protected
Asik
Pels get
Oak
Saric
Sixers get
Number 6 pick, next year's first top 5 protected
Asik
Pels get
Oak
Saric
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:31 am to Crewz
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You can't play a big who is unable to defend on the perimeter late in games. You just can't, hence why nobody does it. And again, show me a contender with two high usage bigs in the last twenty years. It just doesn't happen
For starters, I agree with you here.
but,
Gasol/Bynum
Wallace/Wallace
Chandler/Dirk
Shaq/Horry/Grant
Divac/Webber (champions if they beat the Lakers)
Sabonis/Rasheed/Brian Grant/Jermaine O'neal (Champions if they beat the Lakers)
Gasol/ZBo (have never had guards worth a shite)
It's not the perimeter defense that takes the bigs off the court as much as it's the poor free throw shooting usually. There hasn't been a Steph Curry in the past that shoots that high a percentage from 3 that seems to make it every single time a big switches on him with some moon ball quick release that barely touches the net as it goes in. The 3 he hit last night on Durant at the end of the game is just unbelievable. If Kobe Bryant was trying to get a 3 off in the circumstance he is likely blocked or airballs it if he gets it off, and he is probably the next best at getting his own 3 point shot off without a pick.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:17 am to TeddyPadillac
That was only part of what I said. The main part was that you can't have your two highest usage guys be bigs. And there is no contender in which there were. And if Okafor isn't your 2nd highest usage guy, then you aren't getting the one thing out of him that he brings at an elite level. It's not like he can positively impact the game if he isn't scoring because his defense is terrible and his rebounding is average
i think Okafor can be a better Kanter, but we just saw how Kanter was used on a contending team against an elite team. And I don't want to give up the 6th pick for a super reserve who won't finish games
i think Okafor can be a better Kanter, but we just saw how Kanter was used on a contending team against an elite team. And I don't want to give up the 6th pick for a super reserve who won't finish games
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:26 am to Crewz
I think I've been clear in the past stating that AD is our 5, and I don't want to waste any money on an actual 5. We should have 2 centers, ideally one young aggressive energy guy on a rookie contract, and a veteran guy that probably makes a little more than the minimum. Steven Adams and Enes Kanter are a perfect example of this, as is Bogus/Ezeli/Speights.
You only need 1 dominant big, surrounded by 4 guards. that is pretty much everyone's lineup in the last 3-4 minutes of any game.
The only reason i'd take Okafor is b/c he's cheap and good. he would be a great upgrade, but if we don't do anything at the 2 and 3 position, adding him will do very little to make us improve.
You only need 1 dominant big, surrounded by 4 guards. that is pretty much everyone's lineup in the last 3-4 minutes of any game.
The only reason i'd take Okafor is b/c he's cheap and good. he would be a great upgrade, but if we don't do anything at the 2 and 3 position, adding him will do very little to make us improve.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:36 am to TeddyPadillac
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Steven Adams and Enes Kanter are a perfect example of this
Adams only has one more year of cheapness and Kanter is already making more than Asik and Ajinca combined. To get what you want is best accomplished with a pick in the teens to 20s. Draft a center good enough to "start" but not so good that teams will try to steal him from you.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 10:36 am
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:46 am to TigerinATL
I think people are confusing "two good bigs" vs "two high usage bigs"
Of course, there are plenty of good teams with two good bigs. There are NO contenders that have bigs as their two highest usage players. And we know AD will be top 2 on this team. If you trade for Okafor and he isn't, then he isn't giving you his value. If he is, history says you can't be a contender
I wouldn't mind investing heavily in a 5. Say, Marc Gasol from 2-3 years ago. That next to AD would be amazing. But he effects the games in multiple ways outside of scoring and can stay on the court late in games because of his defense and FT shooting.
Of course, there are plenty of good teams with two good bigs. There are NO contenders that have bigs as their two highest usage players. And we know AD will be top 2 on this team. If you trade for Okafor and he isn't, then he isn't giving you his value. If he is, history says you can't be a contender
I wouldn't mind investing heavily in a 5. Say, Marc Gasol from 2-3 years ago. That next to AD would be amazing. But he effects the games in multiple ways outside of scoring and can stay on the court late in games because of his defense and FT shooting.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:57 am to TeddyPadillac
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It's not the perimeter defense that takes the bigs off the court as much as it's the poor free throw shooting usually
quote:
You only need 1 dominant big, surrounded by 4 guards. that is pretty much everyone's lineup in the last 3-4 minutes of any game.
These two statements don't match up at all. I do not agree with #1, but am with you 100% on #2. OKC gave the Warriors so much trouble because they could go "small" with Ibaka, Durant, Roberson, Waiters, and Westbrook. Size and speed.
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Okafor is b/c he's cheap and good
Unless he develops other aspects of his game beyond post work, I don't see much of a great fit for him and Davis. If you use him like the Thunder do with Kanter (~20MPG), and if you don't think #6 can be more than that, then sure. He's a good player, but a hard fit based on what he's shown thus far.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:11 am to corndeaux
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Gasol/Bynum
Wallace/Wallace
Chandler/Dirk
Shaq/Horry/Grant
Divac/Webber (champions if they beat the Lakers)
Sabonis/Rasheed/Brian Grant/Jermaine O'neal (Champions if they beat the Lakers)
Gasol/ZBo (have never had guards worth a shite)
So this list is interesting- which one of these units doesn't feature a guy who could defend on the perimeter?
nb4 Gasol/Bynum----you left off Odom, who played more MPG than Bynum in all of their playoff runs.
To me, the outlier is the Twin Tower pairing of Duncan/Robinson, who themselves had plenty of inside/outside abilty, not the "stretch" big type.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:14 am to corndeaux
And that outlier was back in 99 (Robinson was lower usage by 2003)
If you give up a valuable asset to put a big next to AD, he better be able to seriously impact the game outside of scoring IMO
If you give up a valuable asset to put a big next to AD, he better be able to seriously impact the game outside of scoring IMO
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:15 am to TigerinATL
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Kanter is already making more than Asik and Ajinca combined
I didn't know he made $16M. Geez that's too much. I take that back.
A dream scenario for me would be to unload Ajinca, (in this dream Asik stays on the team b/c even in a dream I dont' think we can get rid of him) sign Mason Plumlee to something cheap and he provides 15-20 minutes a game decently enough, draft Onuaku in the 2nd round and get some luck and he turns out to be a decent big that can give us 15 minutes a game. Then do something next year and get rid of Asik's dumbass. All I want is guys that can grab boards, attack defenders going to the rim and alter/block shots, and simply finish at the rim on offense while hustling for every offensive rebound and loose ball. If he can set a pick and role to the basket, receive a pass and dunk it, even if there's someone around him, i'd be happy.
Use the real money on wing players and a competent backup 4.
The only way i'd take a guy like Okafor in this trade is if there were no wing players left to take for some reason, and you were left with PF and C's as the next best available guys.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:42 am to TeddyPadillac
Sign Player X for cheap
Is just not a realistic sentence this summer or next. Plumlee, for instance, will get way more than Asik this summer
Is just not a realistic sentence this summer or next. Plumlee, for instance, will get way more than Asik this summer
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:49 am to Crewz
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Sign Player X for cheap
Yeah, teams are going to have dig REALLY deep for "cheap" players. Anyone worth a shite is going to get paid more than most regular fans expect.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:56 am to Fun Bunch
Honestly, I would do Middleton for 6 before Okafor. Get me guys who locked in last summer and who can compliment AD now and long term
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:57 am to Crewz
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Is just not a realistic sentence this summer or next. Plumlee, for instance, will get way more than Asik this summer
My apologies. I put Mason, but meant Miles, and no I do not think he will get over $10M a year, regardless of the salary cap. He's a career 5/5 guy that started in year 2 in Phoneix (8/8 guy as a starter), was traded and didn't see much of the court in Milwaukee. Indiana drafted him and kept him for a year, barely playing him and then traded him.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:59 am to Crewz
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Honestly, I would do Middleton for 6 before Okafor
I didn't know that was a realistic option, but i'd do that in a heartbeat. I love the prospect of Hield, but i'd take Middleton over Hield.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:13 pm to Crewz
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Sign Player X for cheap
Is just not a realistic sentence this summer or next. Plumlee, for instance, will get way more than Asik this summer
Right. There will be no cheap options this summer. It makes no sense to invest assets (#6 or capspace) to add another 5. The best scenario is to get lucky with one of the second round picks and find a flawed 5 who provides certain skillsets...athletic guy who can rebound and protect the rim. If they can develop as a passer, all the better. We will not compete with a high usage post player who doesn't defend or rebound next to AD. If that is really our goal, I am sure we could sign Monroe outright next offseason.
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