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re: Homebrewing Thread: Volume II

Posted on 7/21/20 at 4:37 pm to
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 4:37 pm to
Post pictures of your final product when its ready.

My latest NEIPA had a great color for like a week, but its already dulled. I don't get it. I feel like there was no possible way for any significant oxygen intrusion, and yet the color is now meh at best. I'll take a picture when I get home and post it... It still tastes fine, I'm getting alot of hop aroma and flavor still, just was really hoping for a better color.

I ferment in kegs, and I transferred to a completely purged keg. My only thought would be that my floating dip tube is causing some issues? The one time I made a beautiful gold NEIPA, I used the sterile siphon starter into a glass carboy, and I figured this would have even less oxygen intrusion... I might buy a 20 inch dip tube or something instead. Maybe that will help. If not, then I feel like my issue would have to be some sort of intrusion during the fermentation process.

ETA pic:
This post was edited on 7/22/20 at 8:46 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 12:38 pm to
I believe i'm going to try my hand at making Lambic Geueze. I want to brew one every year and keep a rotating crop of 1, 2, and 3 year lambics. I will try to do it as traditional as possible, minus the open fermentation portion. I'll use built up bottle dregs from various dregs as my initial innoculates, as well as maybe some commercial blends. I've been wanting to use roselaire for awhile now. I plan on doing turbid mash brews, and the long boil times. I already have a couple lbs of lambic hops. Just need to formulate a recipe, do a little more reading, and decide if i can brew this now, with my current 9.5 gallon kettle and 10 gallon mash tun, or if i will need more space to account for the longer boil time, and thus more boil loss.
May even get a bottle rack for bottle aging and keep that in the beer room.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 12:40 pm
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

I believe i'm going to try my hand at making Lambic Geueze. I want to brew one every year and keep a rotating crop of 1, 2, and 3 year lambics.

I aspire to get here one day! I'm often impressed by the mixed ferm posts in this thread.

Finally got around to doing a review of my last brew. LINK
I started out designing a DIPA but my MT lacked the volume to handle the grist so I down sized it to an IPA. It was a 12g split batch where one carboy was DH & the second received DDH.

I periodically tasted both versions throughout the aging process & have to say that the final beer turned out completely different than what I expected. At first it was really sweet with unnoticeable bitterness that morphed into tropical flavored caramel. After about 20 days it had a great light orange hue & was reminiscent of Tropicália with a pronounced candy orange rind flavor. Finally, after 34 days of aging, the beer balanced out and really started tasting good.

Here is a pic of freshly poured glasses of each version. DH on the left & DDH on the right. Both have a little chill haze but the DDH is slightly noticeably darker.


Here are both examples after being allowed to warm slightly, DH on left DDH on right. Not sure if you can tell by the photo but the DDH was slightly cloudy & the DH could be read through.


DH:
Light amber with translucent orange hue. Nice off white creamy head with delicate lacing.

Strong orange & lime zest aroma that gives way to expressions of caramel, gooseberry & dried mango.

Orange again on the palate that recedes & allows other tropical flavors to come through. Very low bitterness & almost too sweet in the finish. Good malt backbone without being too intrusive.

Overall the DH version is a little too sweet. I mashed @ 156°F (or so I thought) to create a little bit of perceived sweetness to highlight the hops but this came out sweeter than I would have preferred (more on that later)*.

DDH:
Slightly darker with a little more suspended particulate matter. Strong foamy head with long lingering lacing. Looks like beer!

Orange & stone fruit aromas some tropical undertones. Malty sweetness.

Mildly bitter with balanced hop & malt. Sweet. Fruity with great hop flavor.

This came out better than the DH. Perhaps the additional hops in the dry hopping method led to a more balanced bitterness vs sweetness.

*After the fact, I decided to test my temp probes, first I tried the freeze point method & then the boil method. Apparently my MT temp probe was registering -8°F which means I really mashed in @164°F... which would explain why the beer is so sweet. Not sure when & where this could have happened but I recalibrated it & will employ an insta-read thermometer temp check into my process for redundancy & to prevent this type of mishap in future brews.

Definitely going to chalk this one up as a learning opportunity. Meanwhile, I'll be drinking & giving away 20-30 IBU, IPA...
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
26047 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:12 pm to


NEIPA



Hoppy Pilsner



Coconut Hibiscus Sour
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
10483 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:49 pm to
Can you go into detail on your NEIPA? Hopping schedule and how you transfer to your keg?

Going to brew a gose this week. Considering adding limes in the boil and maybe a little vanilla and cinnamon during fermentation. I'd like a little bit of the key lime pie style, but without adding lactose. What would y'all do?
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 3:50 pm
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
26047 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 7:55 pm to
Grain bill

37% 2-row
36% - golden promise
20% - carafoam
6% - aromatic malt

I only used whirlpool hops. I used Azacca and Idaho 7 with 2 oz each at about 175 for 20 mins and then dry hopped 5 oz of each at 3 days. It was awesome for about 3 weeks and then fell off fast.

I filled a keg with star San and push it to another keg. Used that keg that was filled with CO2 and transferred the beer into the CO2 keg.
Posted by puffulufogous
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
6376 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:25 pm to
So quick question for the beersmith gurus. My last two beers have had efficiency around 85%. While brewing both of those I adjusted my mash ph with acid malt since I have high residual alkalinity in my tap water.

Tomorrow I am brewing an AiH kit for a shandy and I noticed that they assume an efficiency of 70%. Rather than follow their simple instruction sheet, I wanted to play with it in BS. Mashing 8lbs of grain and a using lb of corn sugar in the boil at my previous efficiency is going to yield an OG 12 points higher than the recipe calls for. Assuming I get 85% efficiency again, my best option for brewing the beer true to style is to increase my sparge volume/add extra water to the kettle after sparging yielding a larger batch right? I would stop adding water when I reach my pre boil OG right? This is not the same as the recipe OG because this recipe adds a pound of corn sugar to the boil in the last five minutes.

The other option is to omit the corn sugar addition altogether which would yield an 5.5 gal batch that hits the recipe OG. What do you guys think? Sorry this is my first time using a kit.
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
809 posts
Posted on 7/28/20 at 6:04 am to
If you get higher efficiency measure you gravity of your mash and stop mashing it reaches the kits suggested gravity.
Posted by puffulufogous
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
6376 posts
Posted on 7/28/20 at 7:02 am to
But if I just omitted the corn sugar I'm not going to miss anything flavor wise right? That seems like the easier solution to me because the expected OG will line up without adding the corn sugar. If my efficiency is lower than it has been in the past I can add some back to the boil. I can also save it for bottling purposes.
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
809 posts
Posted on 7/28/20 at 7:23 am to
the corn sugar is there to dry the beer out. it'll give you a lower gravity post fermentation.
Posted by puffulufogous
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
6376 posts
Posted on 7/28/20 at 7:51 am to
Because it's 100% fermentable unlike the grain. Gotcha. So shorten the mash time or add more volume.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52916 posts
Posted on 7/28/20 at 9:28 am to
quote:

BigPerm30


I like those lights on the trees. Are those solar?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52916 posts
Posted on 7/28/20 at 9:29 am to
quote:

Going to brew a gose this week. Considering adding limes in the boil and maybe a little vanilla and cinnamon during fermentation. I'd like a little bit of the key lime pie style, but without adding lactose. What would y'all do?


It's preference, but i'd skip the cinnamon. Great Raft does something with their Life itself goses that i do not like. It tastes like cinnamon, and is very off putting.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52916 posts
Posted on 7/28/20 at 9:40 am to
quote:

Tomorrow I am brewing an AiH kit for a shandy and I noticed that they assume an efficiency of 70%. Rather than follow their simple instruction sheet, I wanted to play with it in BS. Mashing 8lbs of grain and a using lb of corn sugar in the boil at my previous efficiency is going to yield an OG 12 points higher


Keep in mind, there is a difference between brewhouse efficiency, and mash efficiency. I get around 83% mash efficiency, on average, but my brehouse efficiency, is closer to 75%. Brewhouse efficiency takes into account your mash efficiency, volume into fermenter, volume @ packaging.

Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
10483 posts
Posted on 7/28/20 at 10:40 am to
quote:

It's preference, but i'd skip the cinnamon. Great Raft does something with their Life itself goses that i do not like. It tastes like cinnamon, and is very off putting.



Yeah, I was thinking about that as well. I don't want to get any of the spiciness. I've heard of people adding graham crackers to the boil. Anyone done that?
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
26047 posts
Posted on 7/28/20 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

I like those lights on the trees. Are those solar?


No, low voltage. They look much brighter in pictures for some reason. They are Volt from Costco. Very nice fixtures.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38781 posts
Posted on 7/28/20 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

I've heard of people adding graham crackers to the boil. Anyone done that?




I used to try to brew a clone of Denver Beer Co.'s Graham Cracker Porter and talked to the brewer about his process. He mashed the Graham Crackers so I tried that to no avail. I never could get my brew to taste anywhere near DBC's. Closest I got was making a vanilla tincture and a cinnamon tincture adding it post ferm. A tiny bit of cinnamon goes a long way.
This post was edited on 7/28/20 at 1:12 pm
Posted by puffulufogous
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
6376 posts
Posted on 7/28/20 at 9:10 pm to
thanks again for your help guys. My shandy was more or less a success even if I had to adapt on the fly. I ended up making 6 gal at least out of that 5 gal batch even leaving a half gallon in the kettle. I hit the OG right on thanks to yalls help.

One thing I can say about BS is when you get your equipment dialed in, it is pretty damn accurate. I am glad I didn't rely solely on the standard recipe instructions alone.

Another bright spot is now I get to use my new kegerator as a fermentation chamber and will be kegging my first beer in a couple weeks. I am very excited to not have to bottle this batch!
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52916 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

I am very excited to not have to bottle this batch!


Took me 3 years before i stopped doing things the hard way and started kegging.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52916 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 3:11 pm to
So i have a question for those that have done step mashing.

I plan to brew a lambic in the future, and have been doing a lot of research on mashing profiles. I'm finding that a traditional turbid mash is not necessary, and that even a simple infusion mash could be the way to go.

However, i've also been researching multi step mashing for my other mixed fermentation sours. More notably, having a highly fermentable wort, by doing a beta and alpha amylase rest for the brew day. What are your experiences with step mashing, and is this even needed anymore, considering the highly modified malt of today?
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