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Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:38 am to whatthe
Yep some do require living on campus.
28 isn't unobtainable BUT with the current Louisiana average of 20, I think not many will achieve the 28. Our kids go to a small Catholic high school. I was speaking with the counselor and the senior class has only 49 students ... she said that there is a HANDFUL of students in the class that have a 28. My son could name 4. A 28, 2 29, and a 32. (It shocks me how they freely talk about their scores ... in my day you didn't do that).
Anyway, I do agree that the requirements need to change and push students (and educators perhaps) to work harder.
I have noticed fwiw that ULL offers various levels of scholarships based on ACT BUT they're further split by GPA. Thought that was pretty smart.
28 isn't unobtainable BUT with the current Louisiana average of 20, I think not many will achieve the 28. Our kids go to a small Catholic high school. I was speaking with the counselor and the senior class has only 49 students ... she said that there is a HANDFUL of students in the class that have a 28. My son could name 4. A 28, 2 29, and a 32. (It shocks me how they freely talk about their scores ... in my day you didn't do that).
Anyway, I do agree that the requirements need to change and push students (and educators perhaps) to work harder.
I have noticed fwiw that ULL offers various levels of scholarships based on ACT BUT they're further split by GPA. Thought that was pretty smart.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:39 am to Cosmo
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What options do they have out of state?
I don't know maybe better employment opportunities, lower crime rate, and fully funded universities. On the other hand they don't have Mardi Grad, LSU football, or crawfish right?
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:39 am to Grandioso
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In-state...that's pretty cheap guys. Very cheap actually.
UT's in-state is around $26,000 for reference.
YES but when 20 years has come and gone and TOPS has been around EVERYTHING sounds $$$.
Does UT offer good/generous scholarships?? I truly don't have a clue.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:43 am to LSUTANGERINE
Problem with a min 28 for TOPS is that it will disproportionately discriminate against most minorities because statistically they don't do as well on standardized tests. This will be a problem for the long term health of TOPS imho rightfully or wrongfully.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:46 am to WeeWee
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No, serious question. I have not kept up with the ACT scores since I last took the damn thing '07. What percentile would that be for La students. I took the ACT and got a 24 the first time I took the thing.
I think it needs to go up but a 28 will probably cut a lot of people off. Like you, I made a 24 the 1st time and a 26 the 2nd. Didn't study for either one. I got through LSU Mechanical Engineering fine so it's not like anyone who makes less than a 28-30 is worthless. A 23 or whatever it is is too low though, especially when teachers base their teaching around these standardized tests these days.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:47 am to tiger91
I like the idea of TOPS being paid at the end of the semester. If you make the grades and do your job as a student then you get paid. I would like to see the how the numbers would get effected just by getting rid of the kids who fail out.
You wouldn't have to change the standards at all.
You wouldn't have to change the standards at all.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:48 am to ThatMakesSense
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Is 19 tough to obtain?
No.
I scored a 23 the first time I took the ACT and I had no idea what I was doing on most of the math portion.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:49 am to whatthe
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I like the idea of TOPS being paid at the end of the semester. If you make the grades and do your job as a student then you get paid. I would like to see the how the numbers would get effected just by getting rid of the kids who fail out.
You wouldn't have to change the standards at all.
I could go for this. Definitely.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:49 am to tiger91
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(It shocks me how they freely talk about their scores
psh
my calculus class had a race to be the first 36 in math
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:50 am to tiger91
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YES but when 20 years has come and gone and TOPS has been around EVERYTHING sounds $$$.
Does UT offer good/generous scholarships?? I truly don't have a clue.
I ask this question with care, but I've got to imagine that LSU's tuition is equivalent to or arguably cheaper to what a substantial portion of parent's pay per year for K-12. I'm sure some of these private schools are proud of themselves and overinflate the value of their education...
As for Texas...I have no clue. I certainly didn't get one many moons ago.
UT is so competitive from an admissions standpoint that I'd guess they don't offer a ton. UT has what they call a "holistic" review which, one would assume, would have a heavy weight on scholarship offers. Also, UT offers automatic admission to the state's top 7-8% in their high school graduating class. I'm sure they are offered hefty scholarships, if not full coverage.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:55 am to Grandioso
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UT's in-state is around $26,000 for reference
didn't Texas have the some issue in the late 80s where they offered a saving plan to new parents that ended up being an way to awesome of a deal?
I remember reading something about it. The state used the funds as source of revenue not expecting parents to cash out in 18 years
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:55 am to Grandioso
Well I can tell you my situation. We pay right at $6K per child for a Catholic high school. Should TOPS go away as in NO LONGER EXIST, if our child went to ULL we'd pay out of pocket $1260 more per year (assuming we'd just move the $6000 to pay for college and then he has $2400/year scholarship).
If he went to LSU it'd cost us about $2100 per year (same high school tuition amount just changing the PAYEE and $1500 scholarship/year) the BUT we'd be paying $12K for dorm/meal plan (he's not going straight to an apt his freshman year).
If he went to LSU it'd cost us about $2100 per year (same high school tuition amount just changing the PAYEE and $1500 scholarship/year) the BUT we'd be paying $12K for dorm/meal plan (he's not going straight to an apt his freshman year).
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:55 am to tiger91
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Does UT offer good/generous scholarships?? I truly don't have a clue.
It's tough enough just to get into UT. The admissions are on an entirely different level than LSU
Posted on 2/17/16 at 9:01 am to Grandioso
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UT's in-state is around $26,000 for reference.
Where are you getting that figure? From their website it's roughly $5000 per semester for in-state tuition.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 9:07 am to Grandioso
quote:I can't speak for UT but A&M does not. The 8% rule was designed to allow more minorities to get into school regardless of their standardized test scores. Not all high schools in Texas produce the same quality of students. My son finished in the top 20% of his class, had a either 29-30 on his ACT and did not even get accepted into A&M. He did receive a scholarship offer from a VERY well respected engineering school out of state, which basically covered the out of state portion of his tuition.
Also, UT offers automatic admission to the state's top 7-8% in their high school graduating class. I'm sure they are offered hefty scholarships, if not full coverage.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 9:13 am to LSUTANGERINE
Might sound bad, but the people scoring 28+ generally come from good families, and an extra $7k/yr doesn't hurt that much. It's the 24-30 people that you're trying to keep in state
Posted on 2/17/16 at 9:16 am to yellowfin
Interest sidenote about Texas , UT and race:
Middle class whites with college bound kids are freaking out because the uber studious Asians who have moved into their nice suburban school districts are the ones getting the automatic admission into UT by crowdIng the top 10% of their classes. Asians as a whole don't waste their time trying to play all of this travel ball, soccer, gymnastics, etc. Total focus is on academics.
Middle class whites with college bound kids are freaking out because the uber studious Asians who have moved into their nice suburban school districts are the ones getting the automatic admission into UT by crowdIng the top 10% of their classes. Asians as a whole don't waste their time trying to play all of this travel ball, soccer, gymnastics, etc. Total focus is on academics.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 9:18 am to Grandioso
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30 ACT and 4.0 and Baylor wouldn't cover the full tuition? I would have told them to piss off. With those scores, she's probably in the top 10% at Baylor
In her degree path, she's not in top 10% of applicants based on ACT. Too many Asians and Dot Indians.
She applied to several schools and was accepted by all (including UT) except Tulane who wait listed her then offered in April. She loves it at BU so it's worked out well for her.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 9:32 am to G Vice
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Interest sidenote about Texas , UT and race:
Middle class whites with college bound kids are freaking out because the uber studious Asians who have moved into their nice suburban school districts are the ones getting the automatic admission into UT by crowdIng the top 10% of their classes. Asians as a whole don't waste their time trying to play all of this travel ball, soccer, gymnastics, etc. Total focus is on academics.
Only my oldest was able to get into Texas. We had a pretty good tiff with the Admissions office for my daughter. She was accepted to some very good schools (she is currently a junior at UNC). During the admissions process, we had to come to grips that she basically wasn't getting in. We went out and looked at various colleges and she fell in love with Chapel Hill and the school.
The biggest thing to pissed me off was when her UT admissions representative/advisor called congratulating her on her choice of UNC and stated that they'd be happy to entertain an application to transfer after she completed her first year at Chapel Hill.
I told my daughter to not give them the time of day. UNC is a great school and they got a great student. I just hate it that the process brought up some ill-will towards the university in our household and she now holds a slight grudge againt Texas. But, the waters eventually settled and she loves it up there.
We both had a great time at the UNC-Texas basketball game this year.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 9:34 am
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