re: Conceal Carry w/o a permit Bill filed today!

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I was terrified by the lack of basic knowledge by most of the class

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I don't want to give you nightmares, but you only saw 20 people that day. They say 1 in 3 Americans owns a gun. Imagine how little they know. Even worse! The first time I ever shot a gun, I had never shot a gun before. It's amazing I didn't die or kill everyone at the range. We should probably take them all away, right?

Let's also clear something up. When you liberal-sided folk say thugs, trash, blacks, etc you are referring to criminals , correct? People convicted of violent crimes and felonies are already prohibited from owning guns and would STILL not be allowed to carry a gun if this bill passed.

However! If you are saying that someone who looks, or acts, or does not have a higher IQ than you, or dresses funny, or looks omg swooper scary, or goes to a different church, or prefers baseball over football, or doesn't like pickles or hates looking at titties should not be allowed to own, possess or carry a firearm despite the fact it is their CONSTITUTIONAL right and have never done anything to lose that right. Then....you are a gun grabber.

I don't want to open up another can of worms, but my guess is the opponents in here have probably at least once thought, " mehhh, I mean a gun registration probably wouldn't be thattt bad."

The worst advocate against the gun community is the gun owner/enthusiast who supports any form of infringement. Because every gun owner has non-gun owner friends. When they hear their gun buddy say, "I mean I'm a gun owner and I support this small infringement." they then think, "Well he knows a lot about guns, if he thinks its a good idea then we should probably definitely do it." We'll never get that vote back.

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I was terrified by the lack of basic knowledge by most of the class

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I don't want to give you nightmares, but you only saw 20 people that day

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1. No offense, but I've been seeing it in classes for over a decade. The average gun owner is incredibly ignorant of deadly force statutes, and incredibly incompetent when it comes to (a) safe gun handling and (b) basic marksmanship. The scariest words for any handgun instructor are from the student who says, "I've been around guns all my life." (I will say that every OB member who has taken my CCW class has been very competent.)

2. FWIW Louisiana already has had constitutional carry for decades. It's commonly referred to as open carry. And Louisiana doesn't even require these people to get any training -- unlike Texas, where thy had enough sense to require CCW training for those who want to open carry. The average gun owner needs some learnin'.

3. Why do I never hear the "constitutional carry advocates" petition the legislature to repeal the requirement for hunter safety classes ?

4. All of the foregoing are less significant than the loss of a legitimate law enforcement tool that would occur if permitless concealed carry were to be approved.

5. I think a lot of the comments I see in this thread occur because people tend to project their values/skills/abilities onto "the public." The vast majority of folks on this board are safe, competent gun owners -- but that doesn't mean the vast majority of gun owners possess those same qualifications.

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1. No offense, but I've been seeing it in classes for over a decade.

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None taken, that was exactly my point. That's why I said, I don't want to give you nightmares.

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The average gun owner is incredibly ignorant of deadly force statutes, and incredibly incompetent when it comes to (a) safe gun handling and (b) basic marksmanship. The scariest words for any handgun instructor are from the student who says, "I've been around guns all my life." (I will say that every OB member who has taken my CCW class has been very competent.)

The average gun owner needs some learnin'.

but that doesn't mean the vast majority of gun owners possess those same qualifications.

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Based on the above post, I take it your stance is that some people should not be allowed to possess guns because they lack certain qualifications? Fortunately for us, the constitution says nothing about qualifying for your rights.

Let's try it this way...Please 'wow' me with your stats on, "in over a decade!", how many of these "incredibly incompetent" individuals have shot, kill or injured themselves or another classmate in your class during the classroom segment or shooting segment?

Now, how many of these "incredibly incompetent" individuals, in your decades of experience, were able to hit a man sized target with their incredibly complicated to operate firearm from 6-15 feet away? My guess is damn near every single one. Fact is, guns are not overly complicated and the principle is relatively easy.

If someone comes into my shop, has cash and passes a background check, they get a gun. What they do after that is up to them. Maybe they'll practice every day and be the next Jerry. Maybe they'll stick it in their nightstand un-shot and it'll save their life one day when needed. fact is it's their right to have it and to choose what to do with it.

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I'd prefer police be able to immediately pull a guy off the street for carrying concealed without a permit

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Again if the gun is concealed how do the cops know these guys have guns concealed? They just frisk everyone that looks like they might have a concealed gun and not have a permit. I believe that would be profiling.

He could get a CCL right now and do the same thing.

Everyone here is so scared of these apparently numerous thugs (that aren't fellons, but they are certainly about to rape and kill your wife) but they don't want to mention the other side of the story. What if a citizen, previously unlicensed decides to start carrying? What if that citizen saves your life? Your family's lives? A strangers life? It works both ways.

The argument of wanting cops to be able to pull people off the streets is weak, very weak. Surprisingly, there are a lot of freedom hating individuals over here. They are waaaayyy too comfortable with letting other people make decisions for them, even when those decisions take awayc their personal liberties. It's a shame, really.

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What some of yall dont realize is is that this turns the thug into a law abiding citizen. If everyone can conceal at any time, then at 3 in the morning that thug with the gun under his belt walking up and down your street is just a constitutional scholar. Why does he have the gun?

Because its his legal right. Police cant do anything. You just have to stay inside at night or go out ready for a gun fight. This isnt utopia folks, its hell.

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This is my point exactly

As I've said befote, your class was fine. Everyone's class is 8 hours ( or is supposed to be)

My issue is the requirement for the class in the first place.

Louisiana is a "shall issue" state, but they add numerous steps to the process, which are unnecessary, IMO.

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What some of yall dont realize is is that this turns the thug into a law abiding citizen

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No, not if he has priors.

All it's doing now (the current situation) is keeping regular folk from concealing.

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So why hasn't this happened in the seven other states that have Constitutional carry?

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Still waiting for someone to explain why Louisiana would be different.

How Alabama does it:

Shall Issue
Permits Issued to Residents Only
18 years of age required
Valid for 1 to 5 Years (Chosen by Applicant)
$5 – $20 per year depending on Sheriff
30 Day Processing Time


(Your background is run through NICS at time of application)