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re: From an 11th Grade Teacher at a good suburban high school

Posted on 10/8/15 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 12:40 pm to
Why were you "walking" through a magnet school?

If this truly happened you should have stopped and stuck your head in the door and said "WRONG. Don't ever believe that nonsense" and kept on walking.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35252 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 12:43 pm to
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Average students with average abilities can fervently text away, but they cannot read."
Unless the students have a specific learning disability in area of reading or some other global disability that impacts cognitive functioning, then students with average abilities should be able to read. There will be exceptions, but this is an inaccurate general statement.
This post was edited on 10/8/15 at 12:46 pm
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 2:19 pm to
I have cabling crews working in EBR schools for the next year or so. I'm convinced that what he was lecturing on was approved material from EBRPSS. I also don't live in that parish so I don't have anyone to complain to. Even if I did, have you seen the makeup of the EBR school board? Pretty sure they are the ones that came up with that curriculum.
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 2:21 pm to
She must not be hot.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 10/8/15 at 2:22 pm to
Is it bad that I think this is funny all the while my Kindergartener reads at about a 4th grade level already.


Parents are solely to blame. No one else
Posted by The Eric
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
21080 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 2:25 pm to
there is a difference between "reading" and "reading comprehension"


Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35252 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 2:27 pm to
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while my Kindergartener reads at about a 4th grade level already.
I doubt that.
Posted by Jackie Chan
Japan?
Member since Sep 2012
4690 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 2:28 pm to
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"Your children can’t read. We are in the midst of one of the greatest literacy crises ever encountered, and we are fighting an uphill battle. Every day I experience firsthand what it means to be illiterate in a high school classroom. At best it means sleeping away a unit; at worst it means depression or aggression. Average students with average abilities can fervently text away, but they cannot read."



TL:CR

lol jk l8tr
Posted by The Eric
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
21080 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 2:28 pm to
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Also, you're a teacher. How bout doing some teaching instead of posting on Facebook about how tough your job is.



By the time a kid is in the 11th grade they should know how to read. At this point the specialty is understanding heavy material and being able to find meaning in the text.

11th grade teachers do not know how to teach reading because that was not part of their college curriculum.


Would you expect a college professor to teach you to read or how to add and subtract? No... You are already expected to know the fundamentals.

Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
8659 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 3:14 pm to
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My kids have to get a certain # of AR points each week by Monday when they get home from school. If they don't then no technology (TV, computer, Tablets) for the week. They have a poster up on the hall closet by their bedroom doors where they can see how many points they need by which dates.


Oh my God, AR. I freaking hate AR. It does no good.

My kid is in 8th grade and I have fought the AR battle with him for years. He hates reading. All AR has done is caused him to loathe having to do anything with reading. Now here is the irony, he rates pretty high in his reading levels, often beyond his grade by a year, yet this kid has a hard time formulating and articulating his thoughts. He also lacks any sort of creative skills. Ask him to write a paper regarding a subject, forget about it, dumber than a box of rocks.

How can a kid who rates out high in his testing and gets good grades be so poor at some of the basic skills surrounding creativity, thought articulation, and problem solving? I suspect the standards have been dropping for years and he is the new normal.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9055 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 3:17 pm to
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How can a kid who rates out high in his testing and gets good grades be so poor at some of the basic skills surrounding creativity, thought articulation, and problem solving? I suspect the standards have been dropping for years and he is the new normal.


Some people are just like that. Just like we're not all built the same physically, we're not all built the same cognitively.

If he can read at a high level, than that's a great start. He's in 8th grade. Sometimes other cognitive skills take time to develop.

I know that I'm not a very creative person, but I consider myself better than average in regards to other cognitive skills.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35252 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 3:34 pm to
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How can a kid who rates out high in his testing and gets good grades be so poor at some of the basic skills surrounding creativity, thought articulation, and problem solving? I suspect the standards have been dropping for years and he is the new normal
You're talking about different cognitive processes though. There are plenty of engineers, mathematicians, etc., that can solve near-impossible problems yet can hardly communicate.

There are at least 7 broad cognitive processing abilities that have been empirically-validated (CHC theory), and there are theoretically more that are harder to measure. Even within those broad abilities are many narrow abilities.
This post was edited on 10/8/15 at 3:38 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
48161 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 3:36 pm to
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This is common in private schools as a way to impress parents, "our students are already doing XYZ in the 5th grade, etc." There are appropriate ages to teach different material, trying to present it earlier than needed just results in students struggling with something that would seem easy only a year later. Another question that should be asked is if what material are they not doing to make time for something that is not usually part of a elementary school curriculum.


maybe their kids are just smarter... you need to push kids like that... not hold back on them just because other groups can't keep up
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
37918 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 3:57 pm to
Ned 2 wrk boz so leme no sum off paper n redy 2 gitit fo real dis time

-A text I got this morning from one of my hands. That means Darryl is ready to go to work. He's been released from probation and can travel out of the state. Unlike previous failed attempts at making a reliable worker, he now feels he is ready for his position. I haven't responded yet, and probably won't. I am however getting well versed at speaking text jive
Posted by tossedoff
LP
Member since May 2009
1533 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 7:51 pm to
I'll just post this here. We start early when screwing up in regards to education. Learning at their own pace.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
35054 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 7:55 pm to
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How is one able to write without being able to read?


Whre u at?

Dats whas up!



Like that.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
25454 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 8:00 pm to
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greatest literacy crises ever encountered?
How ironic is it that this question is posed on the OT board of TD.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35577 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 8:22 pm to
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How is one able to write without being able to read?

My son enjoys reading and tests above his grade level. However, my daughter has a condition that stunted her mental and physical growth for several years (Hashimoto's Disease) and she does not do well. It took us three years to teach her the alphabet. She relies on auto-complete and emoticons. If it suggests a word she'll just assume it must be the right word. It makes for some truly bizarre texts.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50557 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 8:50 pm to
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students with average abilities should be able to read.

Should be able to and actually are able to are very different.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50557 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 8:53 pm to
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there is a difference between "reading" and "reading comprehension"
actually there is no reading without comprehension. To be a fluent reader, comprehension is essential. Decoding words is not reading, just like writing random strings of words is not writing.
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