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Oregon now vs. years past - what is the difference?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 7:38 am
Posted on 1/2/15 at 7:38 am
I've watch a decent amount of Oregon football over the past few years, and while I believe Mariotta is the best QB they've had during their run, their team is basically the same iteration that is has been over the last 10 or so years. However, this year they appear to be the favorite to win it all and I tend to agree, but what is the difference?
Is Oregon better now than they have ever been, or is there simply no elite teams in CFB like years past? I'm not trying to take anything away from Oregon, but I tend to believe it is the latter.
Regardless, when you put together the kind of run Oregon has, and you continuously win 10-11 games a year, eventually you're going to find yourself with a chance to win it all. I hope Oregon pulls it off this year, they've earned it.
Is Oregon better now than they have ever been, or is there simply no elite teams in CFB like years past? I'm not trying to take anything away from Oregon, but I tend to believe it is the latter.
Regardless, when you put together the kind of run Oregon has, and you continuously win 10-11 games a year, eventually you're going to find yourself with a chance to win it all. I hope Oregon pulls it off this year, they've earned it.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:02 am to slackster
I think Oregon fans would be able to better answer this than me, but I'll give one perspective.
For me, the greatest improvement is their offensive line. Early in the year (when they lost to Arizona), the line looked absolutely horrible. I suspect injuries were playing a role, but they've certainly jelled a lot in the past couple of months.
Mariota's speed, his familiarity with the offense after three years, and his accuracy on planned routes is another key.
A third key is that Oregon's defense is a little more stout against the run this year. They aren't elite, but they also aren't getting beaten down by a Ka'Deem Carey, Tyler Gaffney, or Stepfan Taylor like they have in the past.
Two problems, though:
Ezekiel Elliott might prove me wrong about the improvement of Oregon's run defense.
Also, I'm not 100% sold on Mariota when he's trying to salvage a broken play. When Mariota is scrambling, he has a lot of highlight reel plays against some of Oregon's lesser competition. However, last night, he forced a couple of passes that should've been intercepted. Ohio State might pressure him into poor decisions more often.
For me, the greatest improvement is their offensive line. Early in the year (when they lost to Arizona), the line looked absolutely horrible. I suspect injuries were playing a role, but they've certainly jelled a lot in the past couple of months.
Mariota's speed, his familiarity with the offense after three years, and his accuracy on planned routes is another key.
A third key is that Oregon's defense is a little more stout against the run this year. They aren't elite, but they also aren't getting beaten down by a Ka'Deem Carey, Tyler Gaffney, or Stepfan Taylor like they have in the past.
Two problems, though:
Ezekiel Elliott might prove me wrong about the improvement of Oregon's run defense.
Also, I'm not 100% sold on Mariota when he's trying to salvage a broken play. When Mariota is scrambling, he has a lot of highlight reel plays against some of Oregon's lesser competition. However, last night, he forced a couple of passes that should've been intercepted. Ohio State might pressure him into poor decisions more often.
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 8:03 am
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:05 am to slackster
The defense, specifically the front seven.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:20 am to slackster
The cards just fell right for them this time.
They are very good but not exactly better than years past
They are very good but not exactly better than years past
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:29 am to slackster
The interior run game. I don't remember kenjaun barner or deanthony Thomas gouging defenses up the middle like those two backs last night. A lot of that is fla state's suspect defense but those two rbs looked like tougher runners.
Watching the game, it seemed like fla state's defense never could get off blocks on those sideline throws. Fla state rarely got pressure and the Oregon receivers ran free all night.(many times not even covered).
Defensively, wasn't much different. I remember oregons defense playing well against lsu(when lee was qb) and against auburn in nat championship. Last night fla state moved the ball but cook fumbled twice on consecutive possessions and that ended the game. After the second cook fumble, fla state quit trying to even tackle.
Watching the game, it seemed like fla state's defense never could get off blocks on those sideline throws. Fla state rarely got pressure and the Oregon receivers ran free all night.(many times not even covered).
Defensively, wasn't much different. I remember oregons defense playing well against lsu(when lee was qb) and against auburn in nat championship. Last night fla state moved the ball but cook fumbled twice on consecutive possessions and that ended the game. After the second cook fumble, fla state quit trying to even tackle.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:34 am to slackster
Matiota is more of an efficient playmaker
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:37 am to slackster
FSU's skill players being allergic to the football helps . The Noles did put up 530+ yards of offense.
Joey Harrington was the closest thing they had to Mariota, success wise. Marcus is a game changer for them, if he wasn't on Oregon the Ducks might have been a middle of the road Pac 12 team this year.
Joey Harrington was the closest thing they had to Mariota, success wise. Marcus is a game changer for them, if he wasn't on Oregon the Ducks might have been a middle of the road Pac 12 team this year.
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 8:38 am
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:42 am to slackster
quote:Well, I mean, that's sort of a HUGE difference.
I've watch a decent amount of Oregon football over the past few years, and while I believe Mariotta is the best QB they've had during their run, their team is basically the same iteration that is has been over the last 10 or so years.
QBs matter. This is really the first Oregon QB who is a very good QB who happens to be able to run their offense VS a mediocre QB who fits into the spread.
In the past, if a defense had good speed it could sell out to prevent the short shite and stone the run. LSU did that, so did others.
Do that to Oregon now and Mariotta can just kill you traditionally. The fact that he can do that affects how you have to play them on defense.
It ill be interesting to see if they keep it up next year. I suspect they will, but it will be of interest to see if the next QB is more Mariotta or more like the predecessors.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:22 am to slackster
What is the over/under of Ducks v Bucs?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:34 am to slackster
We are way more talented at WR, have a power back, a qb that can throw to the boundary and an Oline that doesn't let elite DL split them in pass rush or stretch the OZ backwards. If Darron Thomas could've hit those boundary passes against Auburn to stretch them horizontally, we win.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:36 am to slackster
Having a once in a generation player at the most important position on the field that fits their scheme perfectly.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:53 am to slackster
Aren't they ranked 3rd?
So the biggest difference is the playoff system this year. Under the BCS system, they'd be playing OSU in the Rose (not for a national title).
The title game would've been FSU and Bama.
So the biggest difference is the playoff system this year. Under the BCS system, they'd be playing OSU in the Rose (not for a national title).
The title game would've been FSU and Bama.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:26 am to slackster
I think the biggest difference is their interior run game. They've got some big backs to complement their usual speedy guys.
The O and D Lines are a lot more stout than a few years back as well
The O and D Lines are a lot more stout than a few years back as well
Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:47 pm to slackster
quote:
what is the difference?
There was a 4 team playoff that let them overcome their usual wtf game and there isn't a dominant SEC team to shut them down.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:59 pm to slackster
They actually play competent defense. Unlike last years where they were all offense and tried to outscore you.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:01 pm to slackster
The only difference is there is a playoff now
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:04 pm to slackster
Better in the trenches and an underrated power running game.
Edit: Their defense reminds me of 2011 Oklahoma State. They bend but don't break and create a lot of turnovers.
Edit: Their defense reminds me of 2011 Oklahoma State. They bend but don't break and create a lot of turnovers.
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:04 pm to slackster
I think you hit it. There aren't any elite teams this year. It's been a down/rebuilding year for basically most traditional powerhouses - Bama, LSU, Florida, USC, Stanford(from at least the last half decade), etc. There's not that one dominant team because most of them are young/inexperienced and Oregon is finally taking advantage of that. I don't think this 2014 Oregon team beats 2013 FSU, 2012 Bama, 2011 Bama or 2011 LSU so on and so on.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 6:45 pm to slackster
The differnce? The Playoff
Years past, they would have been hammered for having their annual letdown game against Arizona. They would have been left out in favor of FSU and Bama. They would have played OSU in the Rose Bowl and lost like they will in a week.
Years past, they would have been hammered for having their annual letdown game against Arizona. They would have been left out in favor of FSU and Bama. They would have played OSU in the Rose Bowl and lost like they will in a week.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 7:49 pm to slackster
The playoff system is the difference. Had this been the BCS, Oregon would have been playing the Rose Bowl vs OSU for nothing but pride.
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