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Cyber-attack: Act of War or Not?

Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:30 am
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:30 am
If a cyberattack from a foreign power causes significant economic loss here in the USA, is this an act of war?

What should be the US response to such an event?
Posted by Road Tiger
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:33 am to
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Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:34 am to
Short answer: Yes!

quote:

WASHINGTON—The Pentagon has concluded that computer sabotage coming from another country can constitute an act of war, a finding that for the first time opens the door for the U.S. to respond using traditional military force.



Posted by Lakeboy7
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:39 am to
quote:

If a cyberattack from a foreign power causes significant economic loss here in the USA, is this an act of war?


Under the Conventions absolutely, the problem is there is no precedent.

I'm not certain N Korea did this but if state sponsored respond in kind.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:43 am to
North Korea didn't do this...Sony did. Should we attack Sony?
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:47 am to
It's a "provocation". Or how about an "escalation of tensions". It demands an INTELLIGENT proportionate response. What that is in the case of North Korea, is anybody's guess.

I'm guessing a stern lecture about our "deep hope" that North Korea will eventually "walk hand-in-hand with The United States into a better tomorrow".
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:49 am to
It is, it's an assault on one of the core ideas behind our nation...the new York daily news can ride on my suck stick. There are ideas that are bigger than just one person, they're bigger than 3,000 people.

So for all their "disrespectful to families of 9/11" bullshite, they don't even realize what attacking the WTC represented for the terrorists.

jesus Christ, everyone supports freedom, but when in a position to defend it, they always cower...I hate every spineless weasel behind this decision.
Posted by Porkchop Express
Penderbrook
Member since Aug 2014
3961 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:59 am to
Don't worry about the economic loss.

It can be much more catastrophic than that.

Chinese military hacker know as UglyGorilla hacked into a NE utility company last year. Didn't do anything except "explore". Thousands could be killed if someone did shut down a utility grid.

Also, with the Internet of Things (IoT), cyberattacks can do potentially even more damage.

Cyberwar is largely the future of war now.
Posted by BigJim
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:06 am to
quote:

If a cyberattack from a foreign power causes significant economic loss here in the USA, is this an act of war?

What should be the US response to such an event?


It should be proportional. We should not firebomb a country because they released some emails.

However if a country shut down our utility grid; I would be OK with shutting down their utility grid.

One of the bigger problems is proof. Do you know for sure who attacked you? You better be sure.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
35175 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:14 am to
In this case...it's a probe, to see just how much they can manipulate our policy. And a warning shot across our bow, to let us know that not only nukes can blow us to pieces.

Of course, they must know that we could offer up a monstrous cyber-response...but such would likely harm mostly their innocents. Like the Islamists...they hide behind that collateral damage and any negative publicity to be had therein. And there would be plenty for the blame-America Libs to celebrate/decry.

Between a rock and a hard place. The gloves will have to come off sooner or later, and the 'big fight' must occur. Because there is no 'Worldly' peaceful solution for responding to today's Evil...only a personal and 'Spiritual' one. Talking to Putin or North Korea would be like talking/negotiating with Al Sharpton or the aggrieved protestors up in Ferguson; their version of 'truth'/reality...is delusional.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27248 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:16 am to
Possibly. I feel the burden of proof would be much more complex than say Russia rolling tanks across a border. The FBI says they have evidence, but what is the evidence?
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:17 am to
if so, we committed an act of war against iran a few years ago.
Posted by Scoop
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Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:04 pm to
A cyber attack on a large scale would be much more destructive than sinking some battleships at Pearl Harbor so I'm gonna say yes.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:15 pm to
Doesn't matter Obama won't do shite!!,
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15090 posts
Posted on 12/20/14 at 12:07 am to
We need to be proportional. I think we should do something that will slow down the development of the internet in North Korea.

Oh wait a minute....

Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
4265 posts
Posted on 12/20/14 at 1:43 am to
If it's not then we should be making sure they never see the internet again and crush every computer they have connected to it. Openly.

I know we've probably done that years ago but shame them with it. Replace everything on every hard drive in NK with copies of The Interview and Team America.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
68925 posts
Posted on 12/20/14 at 7:12 am to
What if Congress officially declared war, but Obama wouldn't fight it?
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 7:27 am
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80366 posts
Posted on 12/20/14 at 7:26 am to
quote:

Cyber-attack: Act of War or Not?


If it is against our national infrastructure.. e.g. Power Grid, Water Treatment, Pentagon... Then yes, it is an act of war.
Posted by Sleazy E
Member since Jan 2014
1768 posts
Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:56 am to
If a pussy arse country like North Korean attacks your cyber system and somehow manages to cripple your economy etc. You go build yourself some nuclear weapons and you repeat Nagasaki and Hiroshima. This is also what my response would have been to their threats earlier in the week.

I mean seriously that donkey eared motherfricker has turned this country into a big pussy and it's getting worse by the day.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27388 posts
Posted on 12/20/14 at 9:31 am to
Yes, and we should return the favor. Times 1000 or more. Pimp hand needs to be strong in these times.
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