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re: Jennings is Effective and Improving

Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:32 am to
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:32 am to
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All I have to say is most QB's can hand the ball off 40+ times and complete 8-16 with 2 picks and easy roll out pass on the goal line (which was damn near over thrown). Harris def could do this.


This is the part I'm not sure of. Harris has messed up handoffs multiple times this year.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:33 am to
He is gaining ground and doing well. I am glad he threw to 2 interceptions, he has to get the training and that was a good defense to get it with.

He is gonna do fine.
Posted by MJM
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:34 am to
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I don't understand how all these great rant coaches can't see that Jennings getting us in the correct running play by checking off is a huge quality that Harris hasn't developed yet. Jennings is continuously moving guys around and checking off or flipping the play. The fact that these people can't see this shows how much they know about football

LOL holy shite you actually think it's AJ making those calls on his own. And then you follow up that ludicrous statement saying people don't know much about football LOL
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
27780 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:35 am to
Jennings is so wildly inconsistent. He has great plays (great pass over the middle against Wisconsin; great play against Ole Miss where he escapes a blitz, moves to his left, looks like he's gonna run, and then dumps it off to Magee when the LB breaks off Magee; etc.

But those are the minority. He makes way too many mistakes for a guy who is essentially a game manager with no real ceiling. He needs to spend this week watching every single game of Russell Wilson's career. He doesn't have to win us games, just extend drives. Just consistently make 5-20 yard passes and we'll win a crap load of games with him at QB.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20089 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:39 am to
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You're using one game brainiac. Look at the entire season.



Geez buddy, go have your coffee.

Argument A: Jennings won starting job back in game where half his yards came from one play.

Argument B: if you use that metric for a measuring stick, you should look at the other player you are comparing him to, that had nearly all if his yards in one play.

Argument C: how can argument B use that one game against the player?

Because, that game was brought up in argument A.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 10:12 am
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39994 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:39 am to
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I really hope Harris sticks around and fights for the job because if not we're looking at 2 more years of Jordan Jefferson v2.0.

Shut. The frick. Up. Jesus.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:40 am to
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Geez buddy, go have your coffee.


Did you not read the rest of the post when I gave you the stats?

quote:

Argument A: Jennings won game back in game where half his yards came from one play.

Argument B: if you use that metric for a measuring stick, you should look at the other player you are comparing him to, that had nearly all if his yards in one play.

Argument C: how can argument B use that one game against the player?

Because, that game was brought up in argument A.


Read what I typed to you before you try being a condescending prick. It might work better.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20089 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:44 am to
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It means you hold that INT against him while trying to prop Jennings up by saying we haven't lost a game where AJ threw a pic.


Let's do this again.

Argument A: QB1 has thrown interceptions, that is unacceptable.

Argument B: yes, but we have not list a game that QB1 has thrown an int in.

Argument C: how can you hold an int against QB2 if he had a better game statistically?

Not holding it against him. I am arguing the merits if anothers argument, which does not mean I am supporting the opposing position.

I encourage you to look up the definition of straw man argument.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:45 am to
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I encourage you to look up the definition of straw man argument.



What argument did I make exactly? You're just as bent out of shape as the OP from trying to prop AJ up.
Posted by Tigerinthewoods
In the woods
Member since Oct 2009
1265 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:52 am to
I don't think people on this board are looking at the big picture.

Sure, Anthony Jennings is not the greatest quarterback in all of college football. But he is far from the worst. He is getting a little better with each game. His character and heart alone will make him a serviceable QB in Les Miles' system.

But the real bonus in the whole picture is that Brandon Harris (sure, more upside than AJ) is not ready yet and this "competition" will serve to make both of them better sooner rather than later. Not only that, but everyone else (including our coaches) knows that they have to step up their game big time in order to salvage this season and be ready to dominate in the next two. What you saw Saturday night is a team full of character and toughness do just that. They stepped up for each other in a big way (especially considering all of the setbacks in that game).

No one is perfect here, but this whole situation is working in LSU's favor. And please don't sell Jennings short.

Never sell character and heart and toughness short in anyone.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20089 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:53 am to
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Read what I typed to you before you try being a condescending prick. It might work better.



You wrote this:


quote:

Are you still using only the Auburn game to downplay Harris? Really? 

ETA: Take a look at these passing stats and tell me who gets more yards off one big play.



No, I am not trying to downplay Harris, at all. I am refuting using a stat line to downplay QB1, when that same stat line hurts QB2 more.

You then brought up other games, I am not arguing that Jennings has had more of his yards on longer completions than Harris.

I'm not trying to be condescending, I am just not going to argue with you about a position that I didn't actually take.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8186 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:53 am to
Let's ignore the fact that we scored exactly three more points in this game than we did against auburn. Harris was terrible against auburn. So was our whole team. They had like 24 points in the 1st quarter with no turnovers and no big special teams plays.

Saturday night Jennings wasn't nearly as bad as Harris against auburn, but he was NOT good. Mediocre at best. And this was at home, not on the road. In a game where all the other 21 players played magnificently, and carried his arse.

Look no ones saying you can't win with a Jennings. He can certainly get to the level of Lee/Jefferson in 2011. I think people forget bc the team as a whole was so good, but our qb's were merely competent, leaning more towards bad than good. Defense, run game, and special teams were just so stacked it didn't matter. But it's incredibly hard to consistently build teams THAT dominant with bad qb play. It finally cost us in 2011 when, unfairly or not, we had to play the one team in the country who could compete with us in the other three phases.

Like other posters have mentioned, Jennings level of play means we only have one way to win. If we go behind by double digits were basically fricked, bc Jennings is not remotely capable of getting the ball, dropping back, and throwing completions when the defense knows it's coming.

I'm not saying Harris is a better option. But let's not sugarcoat things and act like Jennings is something he isn't. If both qb's are so bad that Jennings is still the better option then ok, but any line of thinking that we're winning bc of qb play and not in spite of it is fricking delusional. Jennings is still the worst qb in the sec.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40262 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:56 am to
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Jennings is not perfect, far from it. Jennings is not prolific, not even close. However, Jennings is effective, and Jennings is improving.


Thank God because the 1st quarter of the NMST game was turrible.

Jennings is the best game manager and it is clear that is our best shot at winning games this year. Hopefully, Harris continues to press him in practice because competition is good and lead to both getting better. I still think Harris is out best shot at winning in the future but not this year.
Posted by monceaux
Houston
Member since Sep 2013
1182 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:57 am to
One of the best things about having Les and Staff here is you know our team will improve throughout the season. Our guys develop talent. Glad to see that after the Auburn debacle, it appears the light came on for several of our players while others just keep improving.

Lots of people wanted Grimes gone a couple weeks ago. Guessing we won't see that thread before 11/8/14.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20089 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:59 am to
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What argument did I make exactly?


You are represented in argument C in my scenarios. I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, but I thought that was pretty clearly what you were saying.

quote:

You're just as bent out of shape as the OP from trying to prop AJ up.


Nope, just don't agree with the logic that has been used in some of the posts in the thread. Go ahead and quote me where I have propped him up.

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:00 am to
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I think people forget bc the team as a whole was so good, but our qb's were merely competent, leaning more towards bad than good.


I think you forgot Lee was basically leading the SEC in efficiency up until two bad throws against Bama that got him benched basically for good. AJ has a loooooooong way to go before he could dream of doing that.
Posted by Samso
nyc
Member since Jun 2013
4742 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:00 am to
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Jennings is the answer, for now.



Great, so we will have yet another season with an inexperienced QB next year.

If Harris "takes the job next spring" like people are saying now.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 10:02 am
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84541 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:02 am to
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. Go ahead and quote me where I have propped him up.


quote:

Heres another fact, we haven't lost a game he has thrown an int in.


That was fun.

ETA: I'm over this though, let's move on please.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 10:03 am
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28768 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:08 am to
Jennings' biggest problem right now is locking in on one receiver and being a little hesitant on letting the ball go when the receiver breaks open. Both of those can be fixed with experienced. Zoning in on one receiver is amplified in LSU's offense because just about every route is deep and slow developing. The throws themselves however are generally on target. LSU's scheme in the passing game doesn't create a lot of wide open receivers like you see with other teams. It forces the QB to essentially be perfect on every throw.

The second INT was the byproduct of locking in on one WR the entire way, not a weak throw. There was a defender underneath the route. He had to throw the ball with touch. He did. The throw was there. Unfortunately, the DB covering Dupree on the clear-out "go" route read Jennings' eyes and came off that route for the INT.

JMO:

1. LSU is never going to ask him to be a big time QB in the passing game. LSU's offensive approach is consistent power running with the hopes of converting a few big plays in passing game. It's really almost like a triple-option attack.

2. People put waaaay too much stock in arm strength. Accuracy is MUCH more important. BH has a big arm, no question, but in his start against AU he was wildly inaccurate. Everything was a rocket and very few were anywhere close to catchable.

3. Jennings is improving as a pocket passer (something he was not when he came to LSU). You can see that he getting more and more comfortable staying in, and sliding up in the pocket. It's a work in progress, but Harris would be experiencing the same issues. Problem is, I don't think he would be as on-target with his throws as Jennings has.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20089 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:09 am to
quote:

quote:
. Go ahead and quote me where I have propped him up.


quote:
Heres another fact, we haven't lost a game he has thrown an int in.


That was fun.


I was going to go through my argument scenario and realized I have already done this one.

Looks like you just don't understand what I am saying.
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