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A Note on Cam Cameron
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:24 pm
I am not claiming he is a great Offensive Coordinator or a great developer of QB talent. However, the man was a serviceable OC in the NFL, with around 8 years of experience scheming against the best minds in the business. To question his scheme or play calling is understandable, but remember, he has probably forgotten more about X's and O's than most of us will learn in our lifetime. He is worlds better than Crowton and Stud, and they were enough for a few pieces of hardware...
Most of what we are seeing on the field is a product of being in the position of having to start players who are not ready (Harris and Jennings) and the OL missing a ton of assignments (difficulties learning the new zone blocking schemes), not because Cameron sucks.
Most of what we are seeing on the field is a product of being in the position of having to start players who are not ready (Harris and Jennings) and the OL missing a ton of assignments (difficulties learning the new zone blocking schemes), not because Cameron sucks.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 7:25 pm
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:28 pm to AnActualFan
My opinion on Cam goes back to the makeover he did with Mett. He turned him into a pretty damn good College QB and a likely good player in the NFL.
If he cant do that with AJ or BH then it is because they are not ready. Neither are his pup receivers. They all are full of physical talent at this point but they have not progressed yet to a superior level in CFB.
If he cant do that with AJ or BH then it is because they are not ready. Neither are his pup receivers. They all are full of physical talent at this point but they have not progressed yet to a superior level in CFB.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:01 pm to AnActualFan
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To question his scheme or play calling is understandable, but remember, he has probably forgotten more about X's and O's than most of us will learn in our lifetime. He is worlds better than Crowton and Stud, and they were enough for a few pieces of hardware...
Most of what we are seeing on the field is a product of being in the position of having to start players who are not ready (Harris and Jennings) and the OL missing a ton of assignments (difficulties learning the new zone blocking schemes), not because Cameron sucks.
I see you're new here.
This is the Rant and stuff like this just won't fly.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:01 pm to AnActualFan
You do realize that Crowton, in a similar QB situation, in '08 always scored more than 7. Just sayin'.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:11 pm to AnActualFan
If you want to figure out the root of LSU's offensive problems you need look no further than their inability to score a TD vs. MSU with 4 cracks at it from the 2 yard line. It all starts on the OL.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:15 pm to AnActualFan
Our biggest problem is the OL. Even if you concede that we have a scheme problem, it would be an extremely distant 2nd. There is no scheme that will work with the way our OL has played.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:15 pm to AnActualFan
I agree with one thing you said... "He has forgotten more about X's and O's..." Either that or someone else is dictating the play calling when my 16 year old daughter who watches football about as much as rantards play with Barbies', can figure out every play before they happen and laugh... then there's a problem with the offensive scheme. Sometimes the stuff someone knows gets in the way of them seeing the truth of what is happening right in front of them...
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:20 pm to AnActualFan
It appears to me that the spread is taking over the NFL as well. In a couple of years, the spread will be known as "pro style."
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:42 pm to AnActualFan
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Most of what we are seeing on the field is a product of being in the position of having to start players who are not ready (Harris and Jennings) and the OL missing a ton of assignments (difficulties learning the new zone blocking schemes), not because Cameron sucks.
Agreed. And the ultra conservative play-calling stems more from Les' mind than Cam's IMO. I think Cam could easily adapt to the spread if Les gives the go-ahead.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:12 pm to AnActualFan
No beef with Cam, do not believe he is responsible for the 70's style offense. He did do good work with Mett.
Would love to see Cam actually call the plays and not have Les change the plays to toss dive no gain.
Would love to see Cam actually call the plays and not have Les change the plays to toss dive no gain.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:35 pm to AnActualFan
I honestly think Oline execution, not development or talent is our biggest problem on offense. IF they could get going then the run game would improve and the Young QBs would have more time in the pocket.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:01 pm to AnActualFan
"If you want to figure out the root of LSU's offensive problems you need look no further than their inability to score a TD vs. MSU with 4 cracks at it from the 2 yard line. It all starts on the OL."
Very true; however, 10/11 men in the box and the defense knowing what's coming makes it very difficult to block your assignment. If Miles wants to do that then we need our best athlete in the backfield going mid air over the pile at the line of scrimmage. We may be able to push Sam Houston's or ULL's line back but that's ain't happening against another SEC school.
Formations and play calling are putting undue pressure on the O line.
Very true; however, 10/11 men in the box and the defense knowing what's coming makes it very difficult to block your assignment. If Miles wants to do that then we need our best athlete in the backfield going mid air over the pile at the line of scrimmage. We may be able to push Sam Houston's or ULL's line back but that's ain't happening against another SEC school.
Formations and play calling are putting undue pressure on the O line.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:04 pm to AnActualFan
quote:This is true but Jennings wasn't the disaster that Harris was and we did run off two capable QB's. Heck, I would give Kragthorpe a go if need be.
Most of what we are seeing on the field is a product of being in the position of having to start players who are not ready (Harris and Jennings)
quote:Our o-line is experienced and known quantities. I am sure they have seen a few different blocking schemes before. If they haven't learned any new wrinkles by now then the coaching staff can't coach or the coaching staff overestimated the capabilities of their personnel. Both are on the coaches.
and the OL missing a ton of assignments (difficulties learning the new zone blocking schemes)
Honestly, I see some of the same issues that I have seen for years under Miles. RB's, FB's, and TE's are shuffled in and out on different plays. Certain players run certain plays and I am sure that our opponents have figured this out. Plays come in late and there is always a confused look on everyone's face. The RB's look over to the sideline after every play to see if they will be staying in or getting pulled.
I keep going back to the first play of the season. After LF returns the kickoff he looks to the sideline for several seconds to see if he is staying on the field or coming out. If the players don't know who is starting on the first offensive play of the game before the game starts there is a serious communication / planning issue.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 7:31 am to AnActualFan
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players who are not ready
who's fault is that ultimately?
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he has probably forgotten more about X's and O's than most of us
looked like it last saturday
Posted on 10/8/14 at 7:33 am to AnActualFan
So our offense sucks with the best OL talent since 2003 because our coach decides to make it impossible to succeed? But I can't be mad at the coach for that?
Most logical fans knew our QB wouldn't be great this year no matter who started. I said 3 losses with 10-2 as our ceiling IF all the pieces came together. But now we are looking at 7-8 wins as a ceiling. What changed?
We knew the QB and WR areas were talented but young. So far they have underperformed as a whole given the talent level we have played. The RB and OL were supposed to carry us and that's been a nightmare. New coach decided to change everything we knew apparently and Miles was ok with that?? Not ok with me.
The defense sucked last year and we had juniors leave early. I didn't expect us to improve by much given the fact that our DL couldn't penetrate a Vegas hooker. I thought the rest of the D would step up and they have some but not enough to get off the field.
The thing that change the most is the teams we play. They all got better. They all innovated and upgraded. They play to their strengths. And they laugh when they see our film. Because we are the only SEC west team who can't figure out how to play above our talent level. Down years can happen but not overnight. Miles needs to turn it around fast because there will be no excuse next fall.
Most logical fans knew our QB wouldn't be great this year no matter who started. I said 3 losses with 10-2 as our ceiling IF all the pieces came together. But now we are looking at 7-8 wins as a ceiling. What changed?
We knew the QB and WR areas were talented but young. So far they have underperformed as a whole given the talent level we have played. The RB and OL were supposed to carry us and that's been a nightmare. New coach decided to change everything we knew apparently and Miles was ok with that?? Not ok with me.
The defense sucked last year and we had juniors leave early. I didn't expect us to improve by much given the fact that our DL couldn't penetrate a Vegas hooker. I thought the rest of the D would step up and they have some but not enough to get off the field.
The thing that change the most is the teams we play. They all got better. They all innovated and upgraded. They play to their strengths. And they laugh when they see our film. Because we are the only SEC west team who can't figure out how to play above our talent level. Down years can happen but not overnight. Miles needs to turn it around fast because there will be no excuse next fall.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 7:35 am to AnActualFan
Well this is a new thought
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:22 am to AnActualFan
I mean, I get what you're saying, but I still call bullshite. 17 of 21 plays to start the game were running plays? You have a freshman QB making his first road start, so do you put him in the gun, let him make some quick throws, get a little confidence and rhythm? Nope. Power I.
IMHO, the coaching staff let Harris down. If they were worried about his confidence, then they did not give him a chance for success with that gameplan.
If Les is hell bent on running this offense without adapting to personnel, then put McGee in as QB and run the Wildcat. It'll be more effective than Harris/Jennings.
IMHO, the coaching staff let Harris down. If they were worried about his confidence, then they did not give him a chance for success with that gameplan.
If Les is hell bent on running this offense without adapting to personnel, then put McGee in as QB and run the Wildcat. It'll be more effective than Harris/Jennings.
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