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"Harris did it vs. a prevent defense"

Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:23 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:23 pm
Umm...isn't a prevent defense supposed to prevent exactly the type of plays that he was making?

I don't understand this argument.
Posted by fouldeliverer
Lannisport
Member since Nov 2008
13538 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:24 pm to
Then you're dumb.
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:24 pm to
FACT The D was much more predictable by that time in the game
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68899 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:25 pm to
I don't understand a coach playing back ups when his team was on the ropes at the end of the game. Oh wait no that was love the starting CB that dupre scored on.
Posted by Stagg8
Houston
Member since Jan 2005
12993 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:25 pm to
I'm as much a Harris fan as anyone, but you don't see how throwing against a 3-man front and 3-over-the-top is easier than a defense that's playing honest?
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68456 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:35 pm to
They were not playing prevent his first 2 drives.

There's a difference in full prevent vs. Cover 3 and Cover 4 zones
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29267 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:36 pm to
8 db's on the field and he shredded them
Posted by Oh Lawd
Member since Sep 2014
497 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:37 pm to
Yeah. It showed his ability to go through his progressions. Something you don't see as much from AJ.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67592 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:38 pm to
Were they playing the same style of defense when they knocked AJ out of the game?
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
76698 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:42 pm to
The title of this thread, if it were to make the most sense, would be:

"Harris did it vs. a shitty pass defense"

Which he did. But Miles' playcalling demands and Jennings' limitations prevented the exploitation of MSU's biggest weakness from happening until it was too late.

Coaching Grade: F-minus
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
19755 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:43 pm to
Who completes passes over the top of a prevent D?

Anyways the offense sure did look like a Cam Cameron offense when Harris was in. Multiple vertical completions, check down to the RB coming out of the backfield. That pass to Dural on what looked like a deep comeback between 2 DBs playing zone.

I might be the only LSU fan on the planet whose excitement for the future of the skill players on offense (Harris, Dupre, Fournette, Williams) overshadowed the loss to Miss St.

Posted by 5Alive
With Your Moms
Member since Jul 2009
7662 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:45 pm to
They were not in a prevent. It's was their first team D in. The only time they were in prevent was the last series.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:52 pm to
Good point IMO but I wonder if Moo had backups in? That'd be a better indication.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56667 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:54 pm to
quote:

Posted by Powerman Umm...isn't a prevent defense supposed to prevent exactly the type of plays that he was making? I don't understand this argument.


If you can't acknowledge that Harris didn't face the same defense that Jennings did, then you aren't being honest.

The argument is that he excelled with his opportunity...and Jennings certainly couldn't have done the same Saturday night.
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
11926 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:57 pm to
The fact is that Harris did it. Jennings was missing open receivers badly. They should've yanked him sooner IMO.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24073 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:58 pm to
quote:

Umm...isn't a prevent defense supposed to prevent exactly the type of plays that he was making?


Hey, you guys remember when the 2002 team, coached by someone other than Les Miles, managed to lose a game against Arkansas by switching to the prevent at the end?

Prevent defenses don't work sometimes, and it definitely was way different than what Jennings had been seeing all game.
Posted by LSUsuperfresh
Member since Oct 2010
8336 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:00 pm to
Their D was playing soft. Have you ever noticed when we're up late in close game and the other team always tends to march right on down the field on us? Well it's kinda like that.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57472 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:12 pm to
the prevent is supposed to prevent what bama did to us last year.
Posted by PortCityTiger82
Shreveport, LA
Member since Nov 2010
6564 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:13 pm to
Here's the thing.... It doesn't matter what kinda defense Harris was throwing the ball against compared to Jennings. What mattered is that Harris's passes hit their mark while Jennings is skipping ten yard passes off the turf to receivers. Even though it may not be a regular thing for Jennings, if he has struggled the whole first half then give Harris a shot while you are still in the game and have a chance to win. Don't wait until it is out of reach to give him his chance.

He may have been just as bad but it sure as hell couldn't have been any worse. He could've came in and lit it up and got us the win too!
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18773 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:18 pm to
I didn't read the whole thread but here's hour answer. Jennings couldn't pull the trigger he saw open guys but didn't trust he could make the throws. Harris will throw picks but look at his first pass to Quinn.
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