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Please help me understand: Liberalism

Posted on 7/19/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted by Strannix
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 12:24 pm
Can anyone please help me understand the political philosophy of liberalism. How can the proponents of a belief system that views the removal of a living human child from a womb have the balls to send death threats to young women who hunt?

if this young lady had murdered a a baby instead of shooting an animal it would be seen as an act of courage instead of getting her death threats and a canceled contract
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 12:27 pm
Posted by DevilDogTiger
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

Can anyone please help me understand the political philosophy of liberalism.


No
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23233 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 12:31 pm to
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How can the proponents of a belief system that views the removal of a living human child from a womb have the balls to send death threats to young women who hunt?


How can the proponents of a belief system defend an unborn child so vigorously yet also be so pro death penalty? Mind boggling

inb4 'he deserved it'
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48701 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 12:35 pm to
It's a mental disorder.

If you are dumb, you could be duped into being a Liberal, because you are stupid.

If you are of average or higher intelligence, but, yet, are a Liberal, you have some kind of mental or personality disorder.

Many millions of Americans are stupid, or, are afflicted with mental or personality disorders. That's why there are so many of these idiot Liberals.
Posted by benhamin5555
Member since Oct 2009
2368 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 12:41 pm to
I'll try to give a somewhat reasonable answer.

I think the main idea behind liberalism is that collectively we are stronger than the individual; that we should have government programs for healthcare etc. Liberals are fueled by evidence from countries like Canada and Sweden, which objectively are doing better than we are, so they assume we should adopt the same system those countries are using.

What they fail to acknowledge is that there are others, i.e. Italy, Greece, and France, that are completely failing on socialist policies. Also it's one thing to make something work in Sweden which is a small homogenous, wealthy country, and another to make it work here.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
35175 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 12:42 pm to
Because a fetus can not be murdered; it's not yet a being. That is...unless the fetus' father feeds the unknowing mother an abortion pill. Then it's worse than murder.

Liberalism requires serious philosophical elasticity. Very nuanced. Not for rednecks. You'll never understand, S.

Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 12:48 pm to
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philosophy of liberalism



Stealing from your fellow citizens via taxation under the guise that your doing it for a good cause.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84958 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:03 pm to
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Can anyone please help me understand the political philosophy of liberalism.


i could if we were talking in person but i'm not going to waste 2 hours of my life trying to do it on here because i'll end up having to argue with all the mouth breathers trying to push their warped and largely false perceptions of what liberalism is.
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Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8328 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:11 pm to
I consider myself a capitalist and I'm pro choice and support most social stands that would be considered "liberal". Being socially liberal doesn't make you a communist or socialist. I don't understand why so many people don't get that. Some of the most uneducated people I've met when it comes to allocation of resources and capital are dye in the wool conservatives. Always b^*ing about jobs leaving to China or anti immigration.

And I doubt that Jennings La. Is the hub of liberal or conservative thought.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112793 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:18 pm to
Liberalism is based on Egalitarianism.

From a nearby thread on Eliz Warren:

quote:

- "We believe that equal means equal, and that's true in marriage, it's true in the workplace, it's true in all of America."


Liberals are obsessed with equality which it totally unnatural. People are not equal. Nature is not equal. Ask a bear and a salmon about this:

Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
51133 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:26 pm to
Conservatives want freedom. Liberals want equality. Both seem like good principles but freedom has a clear definition while libs keep redefining what it means to be equal.
Posted by Bayou Sam
Istanbul
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:57 pm to
You can start here: LINK
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8374 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 2:00 pm to
Oh boy, this looks fun. Let me give it a try.

Disclaimer: I likely won't respond to all of your criticisms/disputes of this post. Simply defending any liberal idea on this site is a sure fire recipe to raise hell, so I anticipate plenty of backlash. And assuming the backlash y'all unleash is of the usual variety, much of it simply won't be worth responding to.

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a belief system that views the removal of a living human child from a womb
There are plenty of people who believe that life does not begin at conception. If you truly want to understand liberalism, you need to at least acknowledge that not everyone operates under the same set of assumptions that you do.

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if this young lady had murdered a a baby instead of shooting an animal it would be seen as an act of courage instead of getting her death threats and a canceled contract
This is clear proof that you don't actually have any desire to understand liberalism at all. You are clearly operating under your own perceptions/assumptions rather than trying to understand someone else's. But what the hell, I'll keep going; pointing out flaws in logic are fun.

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Most liberals are socialists and I don't make friends with any of them
Haha, so you have no idea then? This is awesome; an individual who is fully and willingly able to admit that he has no desire to get to know anyone who differs from himself also claims that he is capable of making a single overlapping judgment on the same massive group of people who he just admitted having no desire to know. Truly a wonderful example of when a bias too strong is combined with a vanity too intense. Excellent!

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All about hand outs and affirmative action. F that
There are some liberals that this is true of; they represent a minority. It is asinine to believe that this is the only bastion of liberalism for the majority on the left.

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It's a mental disorder.

If you are dumb, you could be duped into being a Liberal, because you are stupid.

If you are of average or higher intelligence, but, yet, are a Liberal, you have some kind of mental or personality disorder.

Many millions of Americans are stupid, or, are afflicted with mental or personality disorders. That's why there are so many of these idiot Liberals.
Sarcasm?

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Stealing from your fellow citizens via taxation under the guise that your doing it for a good cause.
This is by no means contained to liberals.

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It's a childish argument, but, then again, Liberalism is for those folks who are mentally very childish and/or stupid.

There are millions of Americans who are either stupid, childish, or afflicted with mental disorders, so, we have millions of Liberals.
I guess that previous post wasn't sarcasm, cause your doubling down on stupid here, haha. There are so many ways to argue against this, but I'll try to keep it short.

What absolutely blows me away here (and in your prior post) is how someone can be so unabashedly self assured. I mean, you are freely admitting that it is your belief that anyone who cannot perceive the world the way you do must have something wrong with them. Are you really so sure of yourself that the only possible conclusion you can reach about those who think differently than you do is that they must have some sort of mental impairment? Do you really not see how dangerous it is to live life this way?

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Liberals are obsessed with equality which it totally unnatural. People are not equal. Nature is not equal.
I agree with this. As another poster said earlier, the liberal mindset is almost always formed in good intentions. But in these good intentions, they often try to fix problems that don't exist.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 2:55 pm to
A liberal sees the world as he wants it to be.



A conservative sees the world as it actually is.




I am not either, I identify more with conservatives but some of their stances on issues are just comical.



I don't really care about alot of the social issues that come up such as gay marriage and the immigration crap, I care about real issues such as economy and jobs. I care about govt trampling peoples rights. Instead of looking at ways to clamp down on people we should be exploring ways to give people even more freedoms. We are still the best thing going and to continue being the light shining we need to be going in a different direction.
Posted by Elcid96
Member since May 2010
5465 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 3:22 pm to
Do anything that makes you feel good. Expect no consequences for your actions. If you can't afford something and nobody wants to pAy for it assume they just declared war one you!
Posted by LSUandAU
Key West, FL & Malibu (L.A.), CA
Member since Apr 2009
5085 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 4:34 pm to
Liberalism cannot be explained...in most forms, it is a mental illness!
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 4:49 pm
Posted by dr smartass phd
RIP 8/19
Member since Sep 2004
20387 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 4:49 pm to
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Please help me understand: Liberalism


20 Examples of What Liberalism REALLY Is

1) Liberalism is college professors and documentary filmmakers accumulating vast fortunes in a capitalistic system by decrying the evils of capitalism.

2) Liberalism is claiming that the "border is secure" while saying we shouldn't deport anyone who illegally crosses the border.

3) Liberalism is "environmental activists" flying across the world to ride together in SUVs to posh environmental conferences where they call for everyone else to live like cavemen in order to save the planet.

4) Liberalism is spewing hatred and profanity at conservative women, calling for gun control that leaves women defenseless against rapists and murderers, and celebrating misogynistic pigs like Bill Clinton while accusing OTHER PEOPLE of being engaged in a "war on women."

5) Liberalism is people who say that asking for voter ID is racist while claiming that black Americans are too uniquely stupid and lazy to get an ID.

6) Liberalism is forcibly taking money you don't deserve from the people who earned it and calling THEM greedy for not wanting to give you even more.

7) Liberalism is saying that the government should confiscate guns from NRA members and kill them if they resist and then claiming that you have no idea why they think that they need guns to defend themselves.

8) Liberalism is people who sneer at displays of the American flag, tell the world America isn't exceptional, and criticize the country non-stop while getting offended if their patriotism is questioned.

9) Liberalism is calling for higher taxes while you cheat on your own taxes.

10) Liberalism is bitter, race-obsessed people who see EVERYTHING in racial terms, accusing OTHER PEOPLE of being racists.

11) Liberalism is saying you're for "choice" because you support abortion while opposing giving Americans choices about their health care, schools, whether they want to bake cakes for gay weddings, or even the light bulbs they have in their house.

12) Liberalism is calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist, bigoted, homophobic Nazi and then calling OTHER PEOPLE hateful.

13) Liberalism is considering yourself compassionate for wanting to forcibly confiscate other people's money to give away to constituent groups you hope will vote for you in exchange for the loot.

14) Liberalism is saying George W. Bush is a monkey who started the war in Iraq to "steal their oil" while becoming furious if anyone criticizes Obama.

15) Liberalism is pretending that Christians are dangerous while radical Islamists chanting "Death to America" and advocating Sharia law are harmless little lambs.

16) Liberalism is calling for guns to be taken away from Americans while you're protected by armed guards.

17) Liberalism is millionaires who have more money than they could spend in a lifetime railing against the horrors of "income inequality."

18) Liberalism is "animal rights activists" who eat meat and wear leather shoes screaming profanity at women who hunt.

19) Liberalism is black pundits who got their jobs solely because they're black and willing to call other people racists going on TV and claiming that white gas station attendants and fast food workers are benefitting from "privilege" because of their race.

20) Liberalism is thinking of yourself as an independent, open-minded free thinker for mindlessly parroting whatever the Democrat Party line is on every issue.


LINK
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:36 pm to
You're an idiot
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36129 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:30 pm to
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Can anyone please help me understand the political philosophy of liberalism.

There's no such thing.
quote:

How can the proponents of a belief system that views the removal of a living human child from a womb
as opposed to the belief system that a woman is no more than a womb?
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
120032 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:57 pm to
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Please help me understand: Liberalism


Take a hatred of America and stir in a hatred of God.
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