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re: What will everyone get offended over after The Donald Sterling thing dies down?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:51 pm to dnm3305
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:51 pm to dnm3305
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The general public, such as yourself, are "outraged" that more hasnt been done to Sterling for being a racist idiot. Im telling you, let it the frick go.
How are you saying on one hand that Sterling has the right to say what he wants but fans don't have the right to say what they want?
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:53 pm to Cap Crunch
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Unfortunately that doesn't matter
What does matter is that the cat got out of the bag with Sterling and he will face the consequences for it.
Well, forgive me for thinking that's bullshite. And why are people really surprised an old rich white man is racist? Is that really news to anyone?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:53 pm to LNCHBOX
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If he has to suffer for private views that were forced into public without his knowledge, let's hear everyone else's private views and judge them too.
This. I like how people in this country love to throw away individuals rights granted by law through illegal methods. What is being overlooked, and it is sad because it is a law, is that the comments were recorded in private without consent. He said dickheaded comments. We got it. Should be punished? Yes. Fine him, suspend him, and punish him through the bylaws of the NBA, but the NBA cannot steal his franchise. I wish Sterling did break a law so outing him would be easier, but having screwed up beliefs are unfortunately not illegal.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:54 pm to Goldrush25
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How are you saying on one hand that Sterling has the right to say what he wants but fans don't have the right to say what they want?
He's not saying they don't have the right. He's just saying the phony outrage is stupid.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:57 pm to LNCHBOX
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Well, forgive me for thinking that's bullshite
I guess I'm just not someone to brush something under the rug because I wasn't supposed to hear it.
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And why are people really surprised an old rich white man is racist? Is that really news to anyone?
Probably not, but there are a lot of naive people out there.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:57 pm to mkibod1
I'm curious as to why people are offended and outraged because he made these comments but many hardly ever cared when there was an ex KKK member in the US Congress?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:58 pm to Cap Crunch
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I guess I'm just not someone to brush something under the rug because I wasn't supposed to hear it.
How does this man's views affect you?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:59 pm to LNCHBOX
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He's not saying they don't have the right. He's just saying the phony outrage is stupid.
Who is he to judge who's outrage is phony and who's isn't? You don't think that some people are legitimately upset about this?
People are saying "well everyone knew he was a racist." Guess what, most people in the US didn't even know who he was until a couple of days ago.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:01 pm to Goldrush25
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How are you saying on one hand that Sterling has the right to say what he wants but fans don't have the right to say what they want?
Im not. Context clues would tell you that. Anyone can say w/e the hell they want. Im simply saying that the people that believe he should be forced to step down from ownership are fricking idiots. If they want to say that, say it with action by not going to games or watching on TV. Since you laugh at me, here's a laugh for your lack of reading comprehension.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:02 pm to LNCHBOX
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How does this man's views affect you?
They don't.
As I've said multiple times in this thread I understand why people want him gone from a business perspective. I'm not just gonna say "oh well, he said it in private so that won't effect the NBA."
To put it in another way, if this were Tom Benson who said this, I'd probably want him gone because I don't want the teams I cheer for having a racist stigma to them. That and I think the teams would be more successful without that stigma.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:03 pm to T
Who knows but it will happen sooner than later. We are after all "The United States of the Offended"
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:03 pm to dnm3305
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If they want to say that, say it with action by not going to games or watching on TV
They are saying that. That's why the Clips are losing corporate sponsors.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:03 pm to Goldrush25
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Who is he to judge who's outrage is phony and who's isn't? You don't think that some people are legitimately upset about this?
Of course some are. But let's not act like a lot of this isn't over the top PC police nonsense.
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People are saying "well everyone knew he was a racist." Guess what, most people in the US didn't even know who he was until a couple of days ago.
That doesn't really invalidate what I said, because what I said had nothing to do with his past racial snafus (which I was not surprised to learn about).
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:06 pm to Cap Crunch
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They don't.
As I've said multiple times in this thread I understand why people want him gone from a business perspective. I'm not just gonna say "oh well, he said it in private so that won't effect the NBA."
To put it in another way, if this were Tom Benson who said this, I'd probably want him gone because I don't want the teams I cheer for having a racist stigma to them. That and I think the teams would be more successful without that stigma.
And my point is this one man's private views affect people only as much as they let it affect them.
But since there are so many people that are outraged and want his head on a platter, now this is a media spectacle. It's just stupid.
I also understand why people are upset. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:07 pm to Goldrush25
quote:So what if they are? Unless it's people that are personal friends or are employed by him, they should not be. Otherwise, it doesn't affect you, and you shouldn't pretend that it does.
You don't think that some people are legitimately upset about this?
I'm somewhat of a white apologist, but I have no problem whatsoever admitting that this is going to be blown way out of proportion, and it's laughable that some people are demanding some sort of reprimand from the league.
quote:Which is exactly why it doesn't affect them.
Guess what, most people in the US didn't even know who he was until a couple of days ago.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:13 pm to dnm3305
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If you dont like what this man said, then dont fricking listen, dont watch Clippers games, and dont buy his product. No one is forcing you to listen to the stupid tape.
frick you for using the "don't listen argument", one of the worst arguments out there.
Nobody forced me to listen to him but he's still a racist bigot who thinks a large percentage of people in the world are inferior to him, that deserves criticism. Nobody forces you to listen to and see a lot of things, that doesn't mean they don't deserve attention and ridicule.
Nobody forced the world to take a stand against Germany in WW2, nobody forced people to aid New Orleans after Katrina, yet these things still happened.
Just because nobody forced us to listen to this racist prick we shouldn't be offended by what he said? I'm not saying he should be arrested or driven out of town with pitch forks, but he should be criticized and called out for what he is
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:15 pm to mkibod1
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This. I like how people in this country love to throw away individuals rights granted by law through illegal methods. What is being overlooked, and it is sad because it is a law, is that the comments were recorded in private without consent. He said dickheaded comments. We got it. Should be punished? Yes. Fine him, suspend him, and punish him through the bylaws of the NBA, but the NBA cannot steal his franchise. I wish Sterling did break a law so outing him would be easier, but having screwed up beliefs are unfortunately not illegal.
Can they steal it? No. Can they force him to sell it? That's not clear to me. I know for certain that the NBA can force an owner to sell a team if they find that he is breaking the leagues policies with respect to gambling on games, and they can also force an owner to sell if the team is facing deep financial problems and is in danger of going bankrupt. So, if nothing else, if his players refuse to play and people stop going to games, the NBA would be able to force him to sell on financial grounds.
As for the legality of his girlfriend recording the conversation, in the majority of states, it is legal for an individual to record private and release private conversations to which they are a party, but you're right, it is technically illegal in California. But that doesn't matter to the NBA. They had nothing to do with the illegal recording, so they didn't break the law nor did they infringe on Sterling's rights, and they aren't a court of law, so there is nothing that says that they aren't allowed to consider the recording as evidence in order to determine if Sterling has broken any of their conduct policies.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:15 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
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So what if they are? Unless it's people that are personal friends or are employed by him, they should not be. Otherwise, it doesn't affect you, and you shouldn't pretend that it does
How are you telling people what they should and shouldn't be offended by?
I'm sure you're offended by a ton of things that other people don't give two shits about.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:16 pm to GoGeauxGaux
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So, if nothing else, if his players refuse to play and people stop going to game
I'm pretty sure they can find 12 guys willing to make hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to play for that man.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:17 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
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So what if they are? Unless it's people that are personal friends or are employed by him, they should not be. Otherwise, it doesn't affect you, and you shouldn't pretend that it does.
So you mean Clippers fans and ticket holders shouldn't give a shite about their team's owner's views?
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