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My conclusions after hours of Online AR research
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:07 pm
Looking for an AR. I have some gun experience but not a ton. Spent hours looking up stuff build vs non-build, and figuring out exactly what I want out of the gun. Ran into the definition of the scout rifle and I liked it. Would like to bring this weapon to a herd of pigs and throw a bunch of rounds at them.
I want something light and short. Was interested in a bigger cal than .223 so that it might be more effective with pigs and deer. Want red dot no magnification, for quick target acquisition. And low recoil, for throwing a lot of lead. Not a long distance weapon, therefore, something for 200 yards or less. Features like short barrel, free float forend desired. Not interested in vertical fore grip as I might want to rest the weapon when firing.
Then I came across the aac blackout with a suppressor. Would love to push the subsonic ammo as it is quiet and recoil looks low. It seems to fit many of my desires. Looked at the factory DPMS and Bushmaster. Looked good to me, but noticed that the 16 inch barrels would be super long when the suppressor is attached.
Then came across this 9 inch barrel ar aac 300 blackout and came to think this is what I want.
So my journey has brought me to researching NFA Gun Trusts so that I can acquire a SBR suppressed AR.
Wanted the OB experts to look over my thinking to make should that I was coming to a reasonable product given my desires.
Thanks in advance, feel free to destroy my thinking where necessary.
I want something light and short. Was interested in a bigger cal than .223 so that it might be more effective with pigs and deer. Want red dot no magnification, for quick target acquisition. And low recoil, for throwing a lot of lead. Not a long distance weapon, therefore, something for 200 yards or less. Features like short barrel, free float forend desired. Not interested in vertical fore grip as I might want to rest the weapon when firing.
Then I came across the aac blackout with a suppressor. Would love to push the subsonic ammo as it is quiet and recoil looks low. It seems to fit many of my desires. Looked at the factory DPMS and Bushmaster. Looked good to me, but noticed that the 16 inch barrels would be super long when the suppressor is attached.
Then came across this 9 inch barrel ar aac 300 blackout and came to think this is what I want.
So my journey has brought me to researching NFA Gun Trusts so that I can acquire a SBR suppressed AR.
Wanted the OB experts to look over my thinking to make should that I was coming to a reasonable product given my desires.
Thanks in advance, feel free to destroy my thinking where necessary.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:15 pm to Stingray
Would love one of those but it will be a ways down the line. Ammo is not cheap and neither is the gun. But they sure do look fun as shite.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:18 pm to Stingray
cant recommend that setup enough. 300blk is a great round, especially suppressed
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:25 pm to Stingray
I have a 300 blk out upper for my Smith and Wesson ar-15, and the suppressor is in the works. Didn't do the SBR on this one maybe later. I. Setup a trust with two friends and we bought three cans. If you are looking for a NFA trust lawyer let me know I'll forward you the contact info of the the guy I used.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:54 pm to Stingray
Stingray, I don't own an AR15, but I've killed deer w/ a Thompson Center Contender using a 12" long 300/221 barrel; the 300/221 (actually developed by JD Jones as the "300 Whisper") was the precursor to the 300 BLK. For what you want to do, I think the 300 BLK is a reasonable choice. I'd encourage you to fully understand what you'll have from a ballistic standpoint. Many folks nowdays (don't put me in that category) think the 30-30 Winchester is useless as a big game hunting round. Factory 30-30 Win muzzle velocities w/ a 150 gr bullet run from 2200-2400 fps. Depending on barrel length, the supersonic 300 BLK velocities will run 200-400 fps less than the 30-30. My personal experience w/ the 300/221 on small whitetail deer at up to 200 yards has been favorable (my handloads get 2250 fps w/ the 125 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet). W/ a 16" barrel, you'll have a decent hunting gun for inside 200 yards; w/ shorter barrels, you'll lose velocity AND hunting range. I've not hunted deer w/ 300/221 subsonic loads but I've read of a handgun hunter who has. IIRC, he was not as impressed w/ the subsonic load for deer hunting. This was from a man who kills >50 deer/year so I trust his experience greatly.
Even the supersonic loads have VERY mild recoil and are much more quiet than most hunting loads.
What about getting a 16" threaded barrel, shoot the gun as is and see how you like it? If you're not happy, you can always add the suppressor and/or go to a shorter barrel.
300 BLK Barrel, inches Bullet Wt., gr Velocity, fps
16 125 2215
12.5 125 2150
9 125 2030
Even the supersonic loads have VERY mild recoil and are much more quiet than most hunting loads.
What about getting a 16" threaded barrel, shoot the gun as is and see how you like it? If you're not happy, you can always add the suppressor and/or go to a shorter barrel.
300 BLK Barrel, inches Bullet Wt., gr Velocity, fps
16 125 2215
12.5 125 2150
9 125 2030
Posted on 9/24/13 at 6:03 am to Stingray
I agree with everything posted above.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:09 am to Stingray
Just tossing this in the ring...OP just so you know, it will be closer to a year from when you submit your paperwork to when you get your stamps. You need to figure out how you're going to fill your AR needs in the gap. From what I understand, with the NFA rule change bullshite going on right now, you want to submit your paperwork yesterday.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:53 pm to Stingray
Just try to see that setup in person (or any suppressed setup) before you buy, if you can.
I'll take any and every suppressor, but videos are terrible for accurately reflecting suppression. So just be careful if you're putting stock in youtube videos.
That said, I'd love that setup, just don't want you to be disappointed when it isn't whisper quiet like videos would indicate.
I'll take any and every suppressor, but videos are terrible for accurately reflecting suppression. So just be careful if you're putting stock in youtube videos.
That said, I'd love that setup, just don't want you to be disappointed when it isn't whisper quiet like videos would indicate.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:59 pm to Stingray
Highly illegal to deer hunt with that setup, but go ahead and kaboom some hogs with it.
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