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re: National's decision to shut down Strasburg
Posted on 10/11/12 at 8:05 am to UnluckyTiger
Posted on 10/11/12 at 8:05 am to UnluckyTiger
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Strasburg got shelled in two of his last three starts.
Most pitchers would get shelled knowing that you're a lock to make the playoffs but won't actually get to play in them.
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Posted on 10/11/12 at 8:09 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Most pitchers would get shelled knowing that you're a lock to make the playoffs but won't actually get to play in them.
Exactly. I actually feel for Strasburg. It must truly suck knowing you gave your best this entire season only to be shutdown before the playoffs...and now your team is about to be eliminated and you can't do anything about it.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 8:25 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Most pitchers would get shelled knowing that you're a lock to make the playoffs but won't actually get to play in them.
Made up stat
Posted on 10/11/12 at 8:32 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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Basically, the Nationals did research on every young pitcher with arm issues and found that roughly 160 innings would be a good cap that would create the best combination of maximizing effectiveness and minimizing injury risk.
Right, so starting him in the bullpen, or just starting his season later would've made a lot of sense. But instead they threw him opening night...
Posted on 10/11/12 at 9:00 am to texastiger38
If that was the plan on Feb 1st then why not wait and start his season in late May or early June and then he would have been available for the playoffs
If your going to make the decision at the beginning of the year it's simple, start his season later.
If your going to make the decision at the beginning of the year it's simple, start his season later.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 9:14 am to tduecen
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but they would not have replaced him with just any triple a pitcher, he would have been replaced by a guy who went 10-13 with a 3.70 ERA last year, that is above average numbers even though they are not Strasburg levels.
John Lannan had an atrocious 1.47 WHIP, he's luck to have had a 3.7 ERA his xFIP was 4.24. He may be above replacement level but its pretty close.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 9:15 am to mizzoukills
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Exactly. I actually feel for Strasburg. It must truly suck knowing you gave your best this entire season only to be shutdown before the playoffs
Strasburg was obviously in on it the whole time.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 9:25 am to TDawg1313
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I saw that there was a pitcher on Atlanta that was in the same situation as Strasburg. What Atlanta did though was start him in the bullpen, then move him to the rotation so they could use him the whole year. I forgot his name and someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but that seemed like a much better strategy.
Since hindsight is 20/20 how did this strategy work out for the Braves? I have pitched and been around the game for a long time and I'm not sure what is the right call. I can tell you that I continued to suit up and run out onto the field and have 5 knee surgeries and arthritis at 44 yrs old to show for it an I never even played on the pro level. I read an article in SI recently on Davey Johnson and he talks about putting players welfare in front of winning a few more games, kind of like an old wise man approach and the players love playing for him so it seems to work for him. Guess we will see.
This post was edited on 10/11/12 at 9:27 am
Posted on 10/11/12 at 9:29 am to TorNation
I'm not a fan of the strategy but that had a plan and stuck to it. If anything, they bought themselves serious goodwill with a player by putting his interests ahead of the club's. I wouldn't have done it, but it's nowhere near the conversation for "worst decision ever". In fact, it's perfectly defensible.
It could be a huge positive longterm if it helps build the Nationals' reputation among players as being an organization that takes care of its personnel, thereby making it easier to attract players.
Hell, I think the Rangers made a far worse decision by hedging on this season and only trading for Dempster and then not playing Olt and Profar, the two assets they were protecting.
It could be a huge positive longterm if it helps build the Nationals' reputation among players as being an organization that takes care of its personnel, thereby making it easier to attract players.
Hell, I think the Rangers made a far worse decision by hedging on this season and only trading for Dempster and then not playing Olt and Profar, the two assets they were protecting.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 9:37 am to Baloo
We'll never know if it was the right decision, and that's what's so bad about it. Fans will play the what-if game for years after this.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 9:37 am to Baloo
the nats have sucked for a month straight now. im not sure that's all on sitting stras either.
also the cards have been one of the better teams in baseball the last month. this really shouldnt be a shock to anyone (and it's not even over yet anyway).
also the cards have been one of the better teams in baseball the last month. this really shouldnt be a shock to anyone (and it's not even over yet anyway).
This post was edited on 10/11/12 at 9:39 am
Posted on 10/11/12 at 9:54 am to bbap
Strasburg would not have helped their hitting that is for sure, which has been downright pathetic
35 AB 7 hits 5 strike outs
35 AB 10 hits 11 strike outs 4 runs scored
35 AB 8 hits 13 strike outs 3 runs scored
105 AB 25 hits 29 strikeouts and 7 runs scored in 3 games.....
Just bad....
35 AB 7 hits 5 strike outs
35 AB 10 hits 11 strike outs 4 runs scored
35 AB 8 hits 13 strike outs 3 runs scored
105 AB 25 hits 29 strikeouts and 7 runs scored in 3 games.....
Just bad....
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:03 am to tduecen
Thank you. That's the point I'm trying to make. This offense has choked. And as a Nats fan, they're lucky they weren't swept. The starting pitching and hitting has been horrendous. Having said that they still have a great shot of getting this baby to a game 5 and I just don't see Gio having two bad starts in a row. And to the Nats player who said the Nats would've been up 2-0 in the series has Stras pitched, You're a Bitch. Probably was Werth.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:07 am to UnluckyTiger
Zimmerman had a bad game
Jackson had a bad game
Gio pitched a well (even though he had control issues)
Zimmerman isn't likely to have another bad outing, I wouldn't trust Jackson pitching. Go with a 3 man rotation instead.
Jackson had a bad game
Gio pitched a well (even though he had control issues)
Zimmerman isn't likely to have another bad outing, I wouldn't trust Jackson pitching. Go with a 3 man rotation instead.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:16 am to tduecen
Jackson needs to GTFO . I can't stand him and his attitude. Zimmermann will bounce back if given the chance. The Cards just have always had his number. They're too good of a hitting team for his money maker fast ball.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:22 am to UnluckyTiger
Jackson was intimidated. As a former Cardinal World Series player, he knew he was up against a rare force yesterday having to pitch against Chris Carpenter.
And to think that Carp has only been pitching for the past two weeks after coming back from surgery that removed an entire rib and two neck muscles.
Carp shut-out the Nats and can't even breathe normally due to his missing rib.
And to think that Carp has only been pitching for the past two weeks after coming back from surgery that removed an entire rib and two neck muscles.
Carp shut-out the Nats and can't even breathe normally due to his missing rib.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:25 am to mizzoukills
quote:The dude had a 5.60 ERA in the playoffs last year in 4 starts...
Jackson was intimidated
He went 6 innings vs Phils then 4.1 against Brewers, 2.0 vs Brewers, and 5.1 against Rangers in which he walked 7
He can't handle he postseason scrutiny
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:28 am to mizzoukills
I'm not a huge baseball fan, so I'm not going to argue the decision or anything. But what would some of you be saying if they started Strasburg and he blew out his arm because he was overpitched?
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:30 am to F machine
Screaming and yelling how they should have shut him down
Posted on 10/11/12 at 10:31 am to benhamin5555
I think the Nats' decision-making here is questionable, but they did do the research and probably believe in it, so they stuck to their plan.
I just think they could have more properly handled the whole situation better with the media and probably Strasburg (plenty of comments on his frustrations about this thing showed up as the season went along). Internally having a HARD innings limit might be fine, but when you announce it to all, then you have everyone counting down to it and scrutinizing it.
And as far as this whole thing about giving him extra days off, moving to a 6man rotation, skipping starts, that kind of thing hurting his arm--i kinda think of the point others have made--
non arm injuries happen to pitchers all the time. If he would have stubbed his toe fielding a grounder, contracted a bad virus, or sprained his ankle, would they have shut him down for the season just because time on the DL would mess up his regular schedule and returning would completely ruin his arm? I doubt it, so why would any other gaps in his pitching do so.
I just think they could have more properly handled the whole situation better with the media and probably Strasburg (plenty of comments on his frustrations about this thing showed up as the season went along). Internally having a HARD innings limit might be fine, but when you announce it to all, then you have everyone counting down to it and scrutinizing it.
And as far as this whole thing about giving him extra days off, moving to a 6man rotation, skipping starts, that kind of thing hurting his arm--i kinda think of the point others have made--
non arm injuries happen to pitchers all the time. If he would have stubbed his toe fielding a grounder, contracted a bad virus, or sprained his ankle, would they have shut him down for the season just because time on the DL would mess up his regular schedule and returning would completely ruin his arm? I doubt it, so why would any other gaps in his pitching do so.
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