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re: Is Ben Roethlisberger the most overrated QB in NFL history?
Posted on 1/25/11 at 9:37 pm to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 1/25/11 at 9:37 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
higher qb rating than manning 3 of last 4 yrs fwiw..
do you honestly think he does as much as Manning? Manning has to make plays or the Colts can't win. Big Ben just needs to not frick things up too badly
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Posted on 1/25/11 at 9:41 pm to Sophandros
LINK
and here's more info on this measure. Basically, if your record is better than the expected record, then your performance wasn't as good as the record indicates. If the record is worse than your expected record, then you are a good qb whose performance was better than his record indicates. This clears up some of the muddle and nonsense around qb record and the foolish "rings" argument.
and here's more info on this measure. Basically, if your record is better than the expected record, then your performance wasn't as good as the record indicates. If the record is worse than your expected record, then you are a good qb whose performance was better than his record indicates. This clears up some of the muddle and nonsense around qb record and the foolish "rings" argument.
Posted on 1/25/11 at 9:45 pm to GEAUXXXXXTIGERS
quote:
Alot of people would argue Brees and Rodgers are not on Brady and Mannings level
maybe career wise, but only an idiot would argue that Brees hasn't been on that level since coming to NOLA.
Posted on 1/26/11 at 12:17 am to TigerBait1127
Career Passer Rating Leaders in NFL History
(Regular Season):
1 Aaron Rodgers 98.4
2 Philip Rivers 97.2
3 Steve Young 96.8
4 Tony Romo 95.5
5 Tom Brady 95.2
6 Peyton Manning 94.9
7 Kurt Warner 93.7
8 Ben Roethlisberger 92.5
9 Joe Montana 92.3
10 Drew Brees 91.7
(Postseason):
1 Bart Starr 104.8
2 Kurt Warner 102.8
3 Drew Brees 102.0
4 Joe Montana 95.6
5 Mark Sanchez 94.3
6 Ken Anderson 93.5
7 Joe Theismann 91.4
8 Peyton Manning 88.4
9 Troy Aikman 88.3
10 Brett Favre 86.3
11 Steve Young 85.8
12 Tom Brady 85.7
13 Ben Roethlisberger 85.4
(don't think Rodgers has enough passing attempts to qualify)
Just throwing it out there.
(Regular Season):
1 Aaron Rodgers 98.4
2 Philip Rivers 97.2
3 Steve Young 96.8
4 Tony Romo 95.5
5 Tom Brady 95.2
6 Peyton Manning 94.9
7 Kurt Warner 93.7
8 Ben Roethlisberger 92.5
9 Joe Montana 92.3
10 Drew Brees 91.7
(Postseason):
1 Bart Starr 104.8
2 Kurt Warner 102.8
3 Drew Brees 102.0
4 Joe Montana 95.6
5 Mark Sanchez 94.3
6 Ken Anderson 93.5
7 Joe Theismann 91.4
8 Peyton Manning 88.4
9 Troy Aikman 88.3
10 Brett Favre 86.3
11 Steve Young 85.8
12 Tom Brady 85.7
13 Ben Roethlisberger 85.4
(don't think Rodgers has enough passing attempts to qualify)
Just throwing it out there.
This post was edited on 1/26/11 at 12:27 am
Posted on 1/26/11 at 12:43 am to ZTiger87
quote:
Why would anyone take Rivers or Ryan over Big Ben?
Why would you NOT take Rivers over big Ben.
This post was edited on 1/26/11 at 12:45 am
Posted on 1/26/11 at 1:15 am to Pudedum
quote:
Top-5 passer rating 3 of the last 4 years
That doesn't mean he should be a HOFer. He is a solid above average QB all time.
He is a really good active QB, but people want to call him one of the all time greats.
This post was edited on 1/26/11 at 1:16 am
Posted on 1/26/11 at 1:44 am to iwyLSUiwy
I hate him but the guy is a winner.
Posted on 1/26/11 at 2:57 am to iwyLSUiwy
No, Dan Marino is the most overrated QB of all time. His 8-10 playoff record speaks volumes. He was the Jay Cutler of his era, disappear when the pressure was greatest. Jim Plunkett was 8-2 for comparison.
Posted on 1/26/11 at 4:45 am to Poodlebrain
quote:
No, Dan Marino is the most overrated QB of all time. His 8-10 playoff record speaks volumes. He was the Jay Cutler of his era, disappear when the pressure was greatest. Jim Plunkett was 8-2 for comparison
Marino in the postseason 32:24 TD:INT ratio.
Plunkett 11:12, with 2 really good games and otherwise a horrible and shitty postseason career.
Also interesting to note, Bill Walsh, years later, once said that when he was watching the Dolphins warm up on the field in the Super Bowl, he noticed that they were the slowest, and most unathletic team he had ever seen.
So, I guess having a shitty supporting cast around you and playing BETTER in the postseason makes Marino overrated and Plunkett soooooo awesome.
I'll never even begin to understand that logic.
Posted on 1/26/11 at 6:57 am to Colonel Flagg
quote:Oh man. So statistically he's as good as the others AND he wins more than damn near anyone else, but he's just not as good as them. I don't think we should talk anymore.
That doesn't mean he should be a HOFer. He is a solid above average QB all time.
Posted on 1/26/11 at 7:12 am to Pudedum
Stick to the FADB, alter.
Posted on 1/26/11 at 7:12 am to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:
Bradshaw won 3 Super Bowls
Supreme FAIL!!!!!!!!
Posted on 1/26/11 at 7:18 am to KosmoCramer
Skillet2, you are in for a world of hurt if you continue you antagonism towards me.
Posted on 1/26/11 at 7:19 am to Pudedum
stfu homefry and gtfo out of here you aren't welcome.
cease and desist.
cease and desist.
Posted on 1/26/11 at 7:34 am to Poodlebrain
quote:
No, Dan Marino is the most overrated QB of all time. His 8-10 playoff record speaks volumes. He was the Jay Cutler of his era, disappear when the pressure was greatest.
HOLY. shite. I think my Wednesday is ruined after reading this crap.
Posted on 1/26/11 at 7:36 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:Favre.
most overrated QB in NFL history
Posted on 1/26/11 at 7:56 am to etm512
quote:
HOLY. shite. I think my Wednesday is ruined after reading this crap.
Some people consider him to be the greatedst QB of all time. Since I don't think he comes close to that level I think he is the most overrated. I think Dan Fouts is right up there with him among the overrated, but that is just my opinion.
Posted on 1/26/11 at 7:59 am to shel311
quote:
Marino in the postseason 32:24 TD:INT ratio.
Plunkett 11:12, with 2 really good games and otherwise a horrible and shitty postseason career.
Also interesting to note, Bill Walsh, years later, once said that when he was watching the Dolphins warm up on the field in the Super Bowl, he noticed that they were the slowest, and most unathletic team he had ever seen.
So, I guess having a shitty supporting cast around you and playing BETTER in the postseason makes Marino overrated and Plunkett soooooo awesome.
I'll never even begin to understand that logic.
The two links that I posted above bear out what you're saying about QB record in relation to QB quality. Mainly, a lot of QBs have better records than what their actual play would be expected to produce, and a lot of QBs have worse records than what their actual play would be expected to produce. Thus, some guys get wrongly bashed for their post season record and others get wrongly praised for the same.
Posted on 1/26/11 at 8:08 am to Poodlebrain
quote:
Dan Marino is the most overrated QB of all time.
with quotes like this you really live up to your screen name
quote:
His 8-10 playoff record speaks volumes. He was the Jay Cutler of his era, disappear when the pressure was greatest
what it speaks volumes to is your ignorance that you think 1 guy who only plays half of the game gets all the credit/blame for team accomplishments.
Posted on 1/26/11 at 8:24 am to lsutigerdan
No - He does have 2 rings . Working on #3.
Only 6 seed to win SB. Guy just wins.
Only 6 seed to win SB. Guy just wins.
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