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These Three Red States Are the Best Hope in Schooling

Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:15 pm
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:15 pm
A ray of hope is emerging in American education.

Not among Democrats or Republicans, each diverted by culture wars. Not in the education reform movement, largely abandoned by the philanthropists who once propelled it. Not in most schools across the country, still struggling with chronic absenteeism and a decade of faltering test scores.

Rather, hope emerges in the most unlikely of places: three states here in the Deep South that long represented America’s educational basement. These states — Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi — have histories of child poverty, racism and dismal educational outcomes, and they continue to spend less than most other states on public schools.

Yet, consider:

Louisiana ranks No. 1 in the country in recovery from pandemic losses in reading, while Alabama ranks No. 1 in math recovery.

The state with the lowest chronic absenteeism in schools is Alabama, according to a tracker with data from 40 states.

Once an educational laughingstock, Mississippi now ranks ninth in the country in fourth-grade reading levels — and after adjusting for demographics such as poverty and race, Mississippi ranks No. 1, while Louisiana ranks No. 2, according to calculations by the Urban Institute. Using the same demographic adjustment, Mississippi also ranks No. 1 in America in both fourth-grade and eighth-grade math.

Black fourth graders in Mississippi are on average better readers than those in Massachusetts, which is often thought to have the best public school system in the country (and one that spends twice as much per pupil).

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/09/opinion/red-states-good-schools.html?unlocked_article_code=1.K1A.hGAi.QpbdtKzj51Ke&smid=url-share
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34665 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:18 pm to
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and after adjusting for demographics such as poverty and race,


Instantly makes all these lists invalid.

You can either read and do math, or you cannot.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103349 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:19 pm to
The idea is to get apples to apples because Mississippi and Vermont have very different student bodies.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39633 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:19 pm to
Governor in Mississippi has his shite together
Posted by SNAP
Member since Nov 2025
85 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:22 pm to
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Instantly makes all these lists invalid.

You can either read and do math, or you cannot.

So, why do rich people send their kids to private school, hire tutors, and send them to test prep courses?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34665 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:27 pm to
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The idea is to get apples to apples because Mississippi and Vermont have very different student bodies.


So racism is OK in this situation?

This is not some subjective testing process. These are standardized tests. I understand this kind of sliding scale is common, but it's retarded nonetheless.

There is still a real world out there that you have to be able to read and do math in.
Posted by RummelTiger
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:29 pm to
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So, why do rich people send their kids to private school, hire tutors, and send them to test prep courses?


So they read and do math...better.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34665 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:31 pm to
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So, why do rich people send their kids to private school, hire tutors, and send them to test prep courses?


This has nothing to do with my comment. I am referring to the schools and the students. There should be no sliding scale or adjustments to the rankings.

If they are bringing their students up, that is commendable. But trying to equalize rankings with some subjective racial/economic mulligans is bullshite.

Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
72980 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 5:19 pm to
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Instantly makes all these lists invalid.

You can either read and do math, or you cannot.

Or, proves who does and doesn't understand how the data is being compared.
Posted by weagle1999
Member since May 2025
2358 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 5:23 pm to
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Vermont


Having visited there, it is surprising how much poverty exists in parts of the state.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
89850 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 5:24 pm to
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and after adjusting for demographics such as poverty and race, Mississippi ranks No. 1, while Louisiana ranks No. 2, according to calculations by the Urban Institute.
What do they do here?

“Alright we have this many black kids so this here lower score will equal the score of these here states with less little blacks.”
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34665 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 6:14 pm to
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Or, proves who does and doesn't understand how the data is being compared.


I fully understand it, and I know why they do it.

Doesn’t make it right
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34665 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 6:17 pm to
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What do they do here?

“Alright we have this many black kids so this here lower score will equal the score of these here states with less little blacks.”


Basically yea.

It’s like handicapping a golf tournament.

Posted by PurpleCrush
ATL
Member since May 2014
1881 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 6:23 pm to
Dirty South, last to first in education, lol.

What are they are teaching at home? Scary stuff
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
10281 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 6:29 pm to
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Once an educational laughingstock, Mississippi now ranks ninth in the country in fourth-grade reading levels — and after adjusting for demographics such as poverty and race, Mississippi ranks No. 1, while Louisiana ranks No. 2, according to calculations by the Urban Institute. Using the same demographic adjustment, Mississippi also ranks No. 1 in America in both fourth-grade and eighth-grade math.


Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
163619 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 6:43 pm to
ANY school where kids were allowed to go out and protest law enforcement needs shut down.
Posted by LSUlove
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2003
605 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 6:58 pm to
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and after adjusting for demographics such as poverty and race,


This is why you can't trust this data. Several years ago, the state of La decided to alter their school evaluations to include this type of data in their grading of schools. You had many schools rise from very low grades the year before to A or B schools just by manipulating this data. These kids weren't any smarter, they were just graded on a lower scale because of their race or poverty level.

My kids were in an advanced public school, one of the best in the state. Their curriculum made zero sense. There were just so many things wrong with it. Now in private school, their scores outmatch many of their friends still in this top public school, even ones that are in the running for valedictorian. They are challenged much more and while their GPA might be a little lower due to harder grading scale, their ACT scores are much higher.

After knowing what I know about the public school education in La, there is nothing that will convince me that our education system is #2 in the country.
Posted by Judnnc
Member since Jun 2025
437 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 7:48 pm to
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There is still a real world out there that you have to be able to read and do math in.


Or you could suckle at the gubmit teat like half of Mississippi does.
Posted by Sid E Walker
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Member since Nov 2013
25420 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 7:54 pm to
Big 3.
Posted by Victor R Franko
Member since Dec 2021
2713 posts
Posted on 2/9/26 at 8:01 pm to
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The idea is to get apples to apples because Mississippi and Vermont have very different student bodies.

Bodies, both schools have Bodies, Student Bodies, that's all that should matter. Test them all the same and compare scores, that's all that matters.
This "apples to apples " race adjustment is the problem.

Edit; not denying these states aren't doing something special, clearly they are educating better than they have in the past.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 8:05 pm
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