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Did Germany ever have a real chance of beating the Soviet Union?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:37 pm
I always thought Germany had a chance to win up and until Stalingrad at the end of 1942, but the more I read about it they never really had a chance at all. Russia is too big and had too many resources/people plus the weather. The Germans rolled right over them in 1941 but fell short of Moscow as winter set in that year first year. Even in 1942 they picked up where they left off in the spring and started pushing deeper but they were taking losses in men and material they could not replace. The soviets were falling back but were steadily building up and rearming. It was only a matter of time. Germany may have had a very small window in 41' but after that there was no chance. Change my mind.
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:38 pm to Canon951
Sir this is a popeyes. what 2 sides u want wit dat spicy?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:39 pm to Canon951
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:41 pm to Canon951
Potentially, but the Germans/Hitler wanted too much, too fast. They weren’t ready.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:42 pm to Canon951
Had the Germans launched Barbarossa in March instead of June, yes.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:42 pm to Canon951
I watched the Netflix Frontlines documentary on this. Sounds like Hitler pushed too hard instead of regrouping in the winter, at Stalingrad. He got too greedy but I think overall the SU would have taken them in the end.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:43 pm to Canon951
The Soviet Union under Stalin would have gladly sacrificed every living civilian to save the leadership and preserve the union. Hitler ran into someone nearly as crazy or crazier than him who had geographic benefits that couldn't be overcome.
A better question is if the allies could have won the war without Soviet intervention on the eastern front.
A better question is if the allies could have won the war without Soviet intervention on the eastern front.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:44 pm to Canon951
Without lend lease for the Soviet Union and American intervention the Nazis win.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:45 pm to The Pirate King
A better question is if the allies could have won the war without Soviet intervention on the eastern
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The U S had everyone scared after the bombs. I think they all wouid concede
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:45 pm to Canon951
Only if the US came into the war on Germany's side.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:46 pm to lsufan112001
Stalingrad was more important symbolically than strategically.
Even if they did everything right, the Reich would have had a difficult time both conquering and holding the territory. If they take Moscow and the Soviet government collapses, they'll still have to deal with partisans cutting off the supply line. So they end up like Napoleon when the Russians burned Moscow.
Even if they did everything right, the Reich would have had a difficult time both conquering and holding the territory. If they take Moscow and the Soviet government collapses, they'll still have to deal with partisans cutting off the supply line. So they end up like Napoleon when the Russians burned Moscow.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:49 pm to The Pirate King
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A better question is if the allies could have won the war without Soviet intervention on the eastern front.
Of course. The Germans made multiple attempts on Hitler's life over the course of the war. Eventually they would have succeeded
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:50 pm to Canon951
quote:The German army's advance made it to the suburbs of Moscow.
but fell short of Moscow
There is a monument in Moscow which marks the German army's furthest advance into the Moscow city limits..
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:50 pm to The Pirate King
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better question is if the allies could have won the war without Soviet intervention on the eastern front.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:52 pm to Canon951
Russian winter got us or it was curtains.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:52 pm to Canon951
Germany definitely would have won if the U.S. wasn’t supplying the Soviet Union with all the weapons and supplies that they needed for the war.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:55 pm to Canon951
If Germany had focused its effort on the Eastern Front and been smarter about timing they would have trounced the Soviets. No one was going to rally to defend the Soviet Union from Germany. It’s only because they were fricking with England and France that we gave a damn. And even then not until the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
Hitler’s biggest mistake was believing all his own bullshite. He really thought they could basically take on all of the world all at once and win. He thought the Germans were really that superior. And even then he got pretty close.
Had they conquered the Soviets first then recovered and went after Europe in the 1950s we might all be speaking German today.
Hitler’s biggest mistake was believing all his own bullshite. He really thought they could basically take on all of the world all at once and win. He thought the Germans were really that superior. And even then he got pretty close.
Had they conquered the Soviets first then recovered and went after Europe in the 1950s we might all be speaking German today.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:55 pm to Canon951
If the United States does not enter the war, and certainly if the British and Germans ceased hostilities and the war pitted Germany vs the USSR heads up, there would be plenty of scenarios where German victory was attainable. At minimum, Soviet total victory over Germany becomes very improbable.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:56 pm to Pax Regis
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And even then not until the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:58 pm to cbree88
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Germany definitely would have won if the U.S. wasn’t supplying the Soviet Union with all the weapons and supplies that they needed for the war.
I was of this opinion for some time, but as someone else posted above, Stalin would have sacrificed every single russian citizen to remain in power. There was no way he was ever going to let Germany conquer the SU. Plus even if the soviets had capitulated, how do you hold and secure that much land with partisans, etc. I just don't see how it could have ever been a realistic objective.
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