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Hard to be positive about team - it's a Super Star league and we have none
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:51 am
Posted on 11/17/25 at 10:51 am
I was at the Spurs game yesterday and they pretty much owned the Kings even without Wemby playing.
Watching the game and looking at the Kings roster, you might think they'd be better than they are.
Lavine
Derozan
Sabonis
Monk
That's four pretty good players, albeit very one-dimensional.
But it doesn't matter. The gap between pretty good and the great is so wide in the NBA that I feel you could have 7-8 really good players and still lose to a team with one superstar and maybe 1-2 other good players.
Basically one Luca, SGA, Jokic and some scrubs (not saying their rosters are scrubs) > five fringe All Star guys.
The NBA is basically like the NFL with franchise QBs. You either have a top 5 player/QB or you have no chance.
Unfortunately, Zion is not a top 5 player and is way too unreliable.
We all get caught up in some of the "talent" we have. Trey, Fears, Queen, Herb (shout to Dinky), are nice players but they really don't matter. None are superstars so we're going nowhere.
What's depressing is Dumars fricked up our chance to maybe get one in this draft. Kind of hopeless about the team.
Watching the game and looking at the Kings roster, you might think they'd be better than they are.
Lavine
Derozan
Sabonis
Monk
That's four pretty good players, albeit very one-dimensional.
But it doesn't matter. The gap between pretty good and the great is so wide in the NBA that I feel you could have 7-8 really good players and still lose to a team with one superstar and maybe 1-2 other good players.
Basically one Luca, SGA, Jokic and some scrubs (not saying their rosters are scrubs) > five fringe All Star guys.
The NBA is basically like the NFL with franchise QBs. You either have a top 5 player/QB or you have no chance.
Unfortunately, Zion is not a top 5 player and is way too unreliable.
We all get caught up in some of the "talent" we have. Trey, Fears, Queen, Herb (shout to Dinky), are nice players but they really don't matter. None are superstars so we're going nowhere.
What's depressing is Dumars fricked up our chance to maybe get one in this draft. Kind of hopeless about the team.
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:06 am to ghost2most
It’s kind of always been that way and it’s why you have to build through consistency in the draft. Only exception is the LeBron prime era where whatever team he went to was an instant contender.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:10 am to Tigerfan14
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It’s kind of always been that way and it’s why you have to build through consistency in the draft. Only exception is the LeBron prime era where whatever team he went to was an instant contender.
I mean that makes my point though. One legit MVP level star and you have a chance.
The Pistons are the last team without one to win. You could maybe argue the Spurs but that's a very unique outlier where you had a future MVP in Kawhi, a former one in Duncan and two very very good players in Parker and Manu along with maybe the best ever coach.
An extreme outlier.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:54 am to ghost2most
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We all get caught up in some of the "talent" we have. Trey, Fears, Queen, Herb (shout to Dinky), are nice players but they really don't matter. None are superstars so we're going nowhere.
Kings are probably about to totally blow things up & start over. Just a bunch of "losers"...who will go to whichever team is dumb enough to take them. Some say Lakers want DeRozan...that would be HUGE mistake imo...hate to say it, but Herb would be a MUCH better pickup for the Lakers. MUCH better.
I just can't picture a world where the Pelicans keep Herb past the trade deadline. He would just be TOO valuable to a contender... than the FAR less value that he has for the Pels.
IF...Herb goes...(and he should)...he should bring a VERY solid "return". I could see the GS...Spurs...Lakers...and even Denver, although the Nuggets would have to do some fancy footwork to make a legitimate offer. Any trade for Herb should be a "win/win" situation for both sides...& those are hard to come by...in today's NBA.
Makes NO sense to keep Herb when he's at the absolute highest "value" that he will ever be...so...knowing the Pels...I guess they will keep him for a coupla more years...and then end up getting maybe 1/2 of what they could get for him now...G
Posted on 11/17/25 at 1:47 pm to ghost2most
"You could maybe argue the Spurs but that's a very unique outlier where you had a future MVP in Kawhi, a former one in Duncan"
Because of this, I wouldn't even call the Spurs an outlier. They just had a superstar that was at the end of his career, which was plenty with everything else they had.
In any case, I agree wholeheartedly that it is a star-driven league. Unfortunately, our star plays less than half the time.
Because of this, I wouldn't even call the Spurs an outlier. They just had a superstar that was at the end of his career, which was plenty with everything else they had.
In any case, I agree wholeheartedly that it is a star-driven league. Unfortunately, our star plays less than half the time.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 2:00 pm to ghost2most
I don't know about all of this. Pacers almost won the championship without a real Superstar. Just two all-stars and a deep rotation, with solid role players. There is no perfect model.
In this NBA you have to have scorers though. At least a couple of guys that can potentially get you 20+ consistently. I'm giving Murphy a ton of flack for struggling. But teams are locking him down right now and we have no other options. All we have are guys that can maybe get 15, but nobody is breaking out. Until that happens or somebody comes back, it's just tough to get to 120 which we have to with how bad our defense has been..
In this NBA you have to have scorers though. At least a couple of guys that can potentially get you 20+ consistently. I'm giving Murphy a ton of flack for struggling. But teams are locking him down right now and we have no other options. All we have are guys that can maybe get 15, but nobody is breaking out. Until that happens or somebody comes back, it's just tough to get to 120 which we have to with how bad our defense has been..
Posted on 11/17/25 at 3:31 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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I just can't picture a world where the Pelicans keep Herb past the trade deadline. He would just be TOO valuable to a contender... than the FAR less value that he has for the Pels.
IF...Herb goes...(and he should)...he should bring a VERY solid "return". I could see the GS...Spurs...Lakers...and even Denver, although the Nuggets would have to do some fancy footwork to make a legitimate offer. Any trade for Herb should be a "win/win" situation for both sides...& those are hard to come by...in today's NBA.
Dinky we'll actually hate to see you go when Herb gets traded. It's been a tough time to be a Pels fan but you've stuck it out for herbs sake.
I would be devasted if Herb went to the Lakers. That would be a tough pill to swallow.
But I honestly don't thin we trade him. First year GM that is making win now moves in the offseason doesn't seem likely to go with a mini blow up. Not saying the Pels shouldn't trade Zion and Herb, but I don't think Dumars will.
Of the two, I'd much rather trade Zion given how favorable Herbs contract is. I don't think his return will be equal to his value, even if it is wasted here.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 3:43 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Of the two, I'd much rather trade Zion given how favorable Herbs contract is. I don't think his return will be equal to his value, even if it is wasted here.
Trade them both. We have wings destroying us game after game. Who is Jones locking up right now? It's great he's shooting good this year. But it doesn't matter when he's getting burned for 30+ night after night..
Posted on 11/17/25 at 3:55 pm to brmark70816
Herb for Kuminga and a first is probably a realistic deal. We would have to add some more salary as well.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 11/17/25 at 4:02 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Dinky we'll actually hate to see you go when Herb gets traded. It's been a tough time to be a Pels fan but you've stuck it out for herbs sake.
I would be devasted if Herb went to the Lakers. That would be a tough pill to swallow.
I wish the Pels had gotten rid of Zion long ago...I just assume they could never get EVEN a half decent offer for him. Was VERY happy when BI was finally moved. Of all possible realistic destinations for Herb...Lakers would be my final choice...I'm not a huge fan of Luka...but to be honest...LA would not be a terrible place for Herb to land.
I hate the way things have worked out for the Pels...but the Zion/BI "combo" was just waaaay too much for a small market team to overcome. Who knows...Herb may be around here for MANY more years...but honesty compels to say that I believe it would be best for both sides...to go their separate ways...AND...it would be beneficial in the long run...for both Herb and the Pels.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 4:08 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Herb for Kuminga and a first is probably a realistic deal. We would have to add some more salary as well.
Sounds reasonable...but if Herb leaves...I'd still have a soft spot in my heart for those wild & crazy Pels...SO...I think many teams have a MUCH higher opinion of Kuminga than I do...so I hope the Pels would have a prearranged way to move Kuminga to a 3rd team...and come out waaay better than just keeping him.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 4:09 pm to Dinky Mulberry
This year has three superstar potential players with Peterson being the best guard prospect since Kobe
Posted on 11/17/25 at 4:37 pm to Dinky Mulberry
I said it in another thread, they need to dangle Herb and another asset for anything Atlanta would want and try to get our pick back from Atlanta.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 4:58 pm to Soggymoss
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I said it in another thread, they need to dangle Herb and another asset for anything Atlanta would want and try to get our pick back from Atlanta.
Hate to badmouth Herb...but not sure he would have NEARLY as much value to the Hawks (since they already have DD) as many other seriously contending teams do.
But speaking of the Hawks...I watch them quite a bit...and I think they are in great shape to make a HUGE leap next season. I expect them to move Trae Young and free up a bunch of $$...and then, if things work out for them with our pick in the draft...they could be VERY competitive in the near future.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 11/17/25 at 5:02 pm to Soggymoss
Hate to break it to you but we could offer the Hawks Trey and Herb and they wouldn't give us that pick back
It's gone unfortunately
It's gone unfortunately
Posted on 11/17/25 at 5:05 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Hate to break it to you but we could offer the Hawks Trey and Herb and they wouldn't give us that pick back
It's gone unfortunately
Sad...but true.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 5:07 pm to ghost2most
You make some fair points, but I think it’s more about the team having an identity and a go to player who will be able to be a general on offense. I think it’s too early to say Queen can’t be that guy. Every player not named Fears or Queen should be made available for trade and everything this organization does should be around maximizing these two players. They are the only 2 with superstar potential.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 5:18 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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Every player not named Fears or Queen should be made available for trade and everything this organization does should be around maximizing these two players. They are the only 2 with superstar potential.
True, but eventually we’ll need to trade Fears and Queen as well if they continue to develop as history has shown our greats eventually leave NOLA.
We’ll need to maximize our return and draft well.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 5:35 pm to brmark70816
Yeah I’m curious to see how we do with Murray and Zion back. Feels like our defense will be better with Murray/Herb as the back court.
Missi
Zion
Murphy
Herb
Murray
Poole
Fears
Bey
Queen
Looney
Is a decent team
Missi
Zion
Murphy
Herb
Murray
Poole
Fears
Bey
Queen
Looney
Is a decent team
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 11/17/25 at 6:45 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
Unfortunately, our "star", who plays less than half the time, isn't even a star when he is healthy.
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