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Trump is not a complicated man, it’s get on board or get run over
Posted on 11/14/25 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 11/14/25 at 11:39 pm
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He is always there when I need him
Politics is a silly game and requires silly rules to get stuff done
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 11:39 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 11/14/25 at 11:44 pm to hawgfaninc
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This is not hard to understand.
Lindsey Graham may say a bunch of stuff the base hates but he understands he is party of a team and always votes with Trump.
On the other hand, Massie, says a lot of stuff the base loves but never votes with Trump.
The goal of a movement is to pass legislation. Why was the Civil Rights movement successful? It go legislation past.
MAGA will never be successful as a movement of legitimate reform if they rid or die with Representatives and Senators who vote against the agenda over and over.
Words don't matter. It doesn't matter if Thomas Massie says everything the base wants to hear. Thomas Massie is a politician. Politicians lie and action matters more than words.
Words don't pass legislation. "Yes votes" pass legislation and Lindsey Graham is always a "yes" and Massie is always a "no".
Truth be told, regardless of what Thomas Massie Believes or says he is no more valuable to the movement than John McCain or Mitt Romney.
For eight years leading up to 2017 John McCain was the fiercest opponent of Obamacare and when it was time to put Words into action he gave the "thumbs down".
This is ultimately why Lindsey Graham gets the Trump endorsement and Massie doesn't.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 11:51 pm to hawgfaninc
I can’t imagine letting x determine my mindset
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 11/14/25 at 11:55 pm to hawgfaninc
David Chapman has some interesting commentary on Massie, McCain and Miss Lindsey.
Food for thought.
Food for thought.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 11:56 pm to cubsfan5150
It’s not X, it’s ideas on X
Books should honestly be the first form of learning. But can’t really imbed books on here
Books should honestly be the first form of learning. But can’t really imbed books on here
Posted on 11/14/25 at 11:58 pm to hawgfaninc
The entire lot of them are a den of serpents.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:52 am to hawgfaninc
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This is not hard to understand.
Lindsey Graham may say a bunch of stuff the base hates but he understands he is party of a team and always votes with Trump.
What a load of horseshite
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Posted on 11/15/25 at 1:42 am to hawgfaninc
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JD VANCE: It's one thing to disagree with the party on an issue...voting against the party on *EVERY single issue*?
That sounds good and all except Trump was calling him names and threatening to primary him the FIRST time Massie disagreed with him
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Posted on 11/15/25 at 2:08 am to hawgfaninc
No politician needs Trump now. He was elected on promises, and if he doesn't fulfill those promises, it is no skin off his back.
He is a dead duck because he doesn't have the will to do what needs to be done. He is still playing politician and deal maker when we need him to be the ruthless dictator the left was worried about.
He is a dead duck because he doesn't have the will to do what needs to be done. He is still playing politician and deal maker when we need him to be the ruthless dictator the left was worried about.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 2:23 am to hawgfaninc
I voted for Donald Trump in 2024 with a lot of high hopes, but I’ll tell you one thing: his Israel first garbage and economic woes are not going to allow him to run over anyone.
Genuinely not sure what JD Vance is going to be able to run on
And no, I will not be voting for JD Vance after this.
Genuinely not sure what JD Vance is going to be able to run on
And no, I will not be voting for JD Vance after this.
This post was edited on 11/15/25 at 2:24 am
Posted on 11/15/25 at 2:36 am to CaneyLake
If the liberty score people don't align 100% with my values, then why should I care how they rank people?
Who made them the authority in what is liberal/conservative? Appeals to authority are terrible arguments no matter who makes them.
What do they consider conservative? Massie thinks it's conservative to not spend money on important things like border security. He also thinks its conservative to let foreign countries take advantage of you and intentionally sabotage your industries without fighting back.
What's conservative is often subjective. Conservatives claim to support law and order but they've also complained about additional police being big government.
How do we know the liberty score takes all the right sides when even conservatives can't agree what is the right side?
Using the liberty score to claim how conservative someone is is like using ESPN to claim how good an athlete is. You are basing your opinion on the opinion of "experts."
I know this is hard to hear, but doing the "conservative" thing is not always doing the right thing. If you think it is, then that makes you an ideologue and more of a cultist than anyone who supports Trump. No system or framework is correct in every possible scenario. The world is far too messy for that.
The liberty score doesn't really mean much as an argument.
Who made them the authority in what is liberal/conservative? Appeals to authority are terrible arguments no matter who makes them.
What do they consider conservative? Massie thinks it's conservative to not spend money on important things like border security. He also thinks its conservative to let foreign countries take advantage of you and intentionally sabotage your industries without fighting back.
What's conservative is often subjective. Conservatives claim to support law and order but they've also complained about additional police being big government.
How do we know the liberty score takes all the right sides when even conservatives can't agree what is the right side?
Using the liberty score to claim how conservative someone is is like using ESPN to claim how good an athlete is. You are basing your opinion on the opinion of "experts."
I know this is hard to hear, but doing the "conservative" thing is not always doing the right thing. If you think it is, then that makes you an ideologue and more of a cultist than anyone who supports Trump. No system or framework is correct in every possible scenario. The world is far too messy for that.
The liberty score doesn't really mean much as an argument.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 2:48 am to hawgfaninc
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Trump is not a complicated man
true. he's an easily manipulated imbecile
Posted on 11/15/25 at 3:33 am to hawgfaninc
Massies not willing to put Israel over his own country. This is why they after him. For that reason alone he needs to be promoted and protected
Posted on 11/15/25 at 4:06 am to hawgfaninc
My main problem with Trump is that anytime any politician asks, or more accurately - *demands* loyalty and fealty from me as a voter- i run in the opposite direction .. I have never been loyal to an Obama or a Bush or a Clinton or any other politician.. ill be damned if any public servant demands my loyalty, THEY work for ME, not the other way around.. that includes Trump .
Posted on 11/15/25 at 4:07 am to beaux duke
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he's an easily manipulated imbecile
His voters are easily manipulated imbeciles .
Fixt
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:21 am to BK Lounge
When did President Trump demand your loyalty?
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:35 am to hawgfaninc
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Trump is not a complicated man, it’s get on board or get run over
People like me got on board and then got run over
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:40 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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What's conservative is often subjective
Nope. It's pretty "cut and dry".
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:55 am to frogtown
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Nope. It's pretty "cut and dry".
I don't think he meant to but he did a pretty good job of delineating the difference between conservatives and MAGA.
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