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Is there a way that Zion and Queen can co-exist?

Posted on 11/8/25 at 10:46 am
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 11/8/25 at 10:46 am
Same lineups together but they both are kind of pigeonholed to that 4 spot. Z can play tge point forward but Queen’s handle is like a guard as well. Fears and Queen will be starting sooner than later. Fears will start and the Pels can get by this year using Queen first off the bench with Poole and Bey but next year he’s going to want a spot in the starting 5. I wish he was about 2” taller and a little more muscle and Queen could be a center. I think in the end we will have to choose Zion or Queen.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11103 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 10:49 am to
Neither is a real PF. Zion is a wing, Queen is a 4/5 combo, that plays best next to a shot blocking 5. Itd be better if either would shoot 3s. But it flows good with both on the court.

I'm with most fans though and ready to move on from Zion..
This post was edited on 11/8/25 at 10:53 am
Posted by Split2874
Mandeville
Member since Jul 2012
3164 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 11:00 am to
Nope.not on the court..that would require Zion to actually play....

on snap, even I am ready to move on from Zion.

If Zion could play, I think DQ is the type of player that could adjust to Zion and make it work for both of them.
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
29826 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 11:04 am to
Zion played really well down the stretch last year when he played with the 2 big lineup. He can play on the wing.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42719 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 11:07 am to
quote:


Nope.not on the court..that would require Zion to actually play....

on snap, even I am ready to move on from Zion.

If Zion could play, I think DQ is the type of player that could adjust to Zion and make it work for both of them.


The Best +/- comps with DQ involve Zion
Posted by Split2874
Mandeville
Member since Jul 2012
3164 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 11:08 am to
I feel like Looney, Messi are 5s, Karlo/DQ are 4,5 and Zion is more a 3 now
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29565 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 11:22 am to
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Itd be better if either would shoot 3s.


Zion can’t shoot, period.

Queen can establish himself on the elbow and hit that shot. Yeah it would be nice if he could hit a 3, but an elbow shot would suffice, and he’s definitely capable of that. Hes already making passes from there and driving from there. Next step is consistently hitting that shot.
Posted by Dantheman504
N/A
Member since Jun 2013
5735 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 11:28 am to
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Itd be better if either would shoot 3s

I think Queen can and will. He just needs to develop more and we need to implement schemes for him on offense.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2284 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 11:38 am to
For sure, Zion as an off ball cutter, something he is not in condition to do.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
12728 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 12:39 pm to
Zion and Queen works due to the obvious talent but it still provides poor spacing and limits the actions you can run on the floor. Look at the last two games, there's so much spacing on the floor with Queen and multiple wing/guards. Actions are more effective when teams aren't sagging 5 feet off Zion. And the majority of the time, they want the ball in Zion's hands and that holds Queen back a bit. Queen has the IQ to play well in multiple roles, but he's at his best when he's the offensive hub.
Posted by ScoopAndScore
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2008
12256 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 12:48 pm to
Zion at PG?
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
174769 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

Zion at PT?
Posted by MizunoDude
Member since May 2020
1100 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 12:52 pm to
On the bench? In the training room? Zion would actually have to be available to play for this scenario to be discussed.
Posted by Tank77
Member since Mar 2019
588 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 1:08 pm to
I think they can but it would need to be

pg- 3 and d guard (like a Derrick white)
Sg- 3 and d wing (herb)
Sf- 3 and d wing (Trey)
pf- Zion
C- Queen

You have an undersized front court so you need a big backcourt
Posted by M3From225
Member since Feb 2021
312 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 2:25 pm to
Get an actual coach first.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5391 posts
Posted on 11/8/25 at 4:11 pm to
I kind of wonder how Queen and Ingram would have worked. I think a lot better than Queen and Zion. I’d kind of like to see how a guy like Ingram could work off a non ball dominant facilitator like Queen.

To the extent that was ever a choice, Zion over Ingram was the wrong decision in retrospect.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7646 posts
Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:00 am to
It's amazing that some people still think that Zion is a top 50 player in the league considering it's always a mystery of who he would fit with and who he wouldn't. People used to make the argument that it would be similar to building around Giannis, but Giannis is a half foot taller, 10 inches longer, healthier, all out hustle beast with high character.

Truly great players fit with almost everyone. Zion on the contrary, basically fits with almost no one. Trey Murphy would be the closest player he fits with, but both are such dogshit defensively, they don't really fit on defense together. Therefore they ultimately don't fit as winning pieces together.

We need to start asking ourselves who fits with Fears and Queen and try to trade Zion for players that would do that (even if their perceived player tier is lower than Zion's).

Let's pretend that Fears and Queen are a new age CP3 and D West type duo and figure out what the best way is to build out a winner around them. Is Trey new age Peja? Does Herb fit in with these 2? Can he shoot well enough to be a defensive Mo Pete? Can Missi develop and play a little bit of Tyson Chandler's role or is all we can hope for is the Birdman role? Is Jose Alvarado new age Jannero Pargo? Can Micah Peavy be the next Bonzi Wells?
This post was edited on 11/9/25 at 2:09 am
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11103 posts
Posted on 11/9/25 at 5:07 am to
quote:

It's amazing that some people still think that Zion is a top 50 player in the league considering it's always a mystery of who he would fit with and who he wouldn't.


Zion is the greatest physical talent in the league right now. Nobody has his natural level of athleticism. He jumps off the screen when you watch him. Also, he has incredible touch for someone so powerful.

All that said, he's not built or conditioned to play professional basketball. He gets by on pure talent. But when he plays, he affects the game like only a handful of players in the league. He makes us more competitive. It really obvious when you watch him play.

All his faults just make it impossible to invest or build around him long term. But he should literally be the best, or vying for the best player in the league title. Its beyond disappointing. So I don't blame people for wanting it to work. It just doesn't..
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
78642 posts
Posted on 11/9/25 at 12:06 pm to
Zion hasn't yet showed that he can coexist with anyone for more than a handful of games.

Injuries aside, Zion needs to have the ball in his hands to be successful and that usually means he aimlessly dribbling at the top of the key until the shot clock gets under 10 seconds and then he drives into a wall under the basket for a left-handed layup.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7646 posts
Posted on 11/9/25 at 11:07 pm to
Zion only makes us more competitive when we see the better versions of him.

But we only get that, what 10-15% of the time out of the games he plays? He's a complete liability at times due to conditioning and his effort. That's another reason why he's so hard to build around. You want your best players to be consistent effort wise, attitude wise, etc. Even if he doesn't want to be a leader, he is. Guys look up to Zion and if he doesn't set the tone, it's easy not to follow suit.

It's why you see teams like Indy perform above their talent level. Part of it is coaching, but part of it is their franchise player is so selfless, so humble, but also plays with consistent effort, joy, etc. You can see how much the Pacers miss Hali this year. On the other hand, it's hard to tell if we miss Zion in the games he doesn't play this year. We've picked up our only 2 wins without him and generally our energy and effort is a lot more consistent.
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