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How the U.S. Economy Has Defied Doomsday Predictions on Tariffs

Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:19 am
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27083 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:19 am
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When President Trump announced sweeping tariffs in April, economists predicted surging inflation and raised the odds of a recession. Companies and consumers stockpiled to get ahead of price rises. Those worries now seem overblown.

Inflation, while too high, is lower than forecasts. And the economy continues to grow despite the steepest tariffs in almost a century.

“I’m not sure they’ve mattered as much as people thought they would,
” said Kelly Kowalski, head of investment strategies at MassMutual.

At the same time, the promised benefits of tariffs also largely haven’t come to pass: Revenues from Trump’s levies have been far lower than the Treasury Department predicted, and there are few signs of a domestic manufacturing boom.

Annual inflation was 3% in September, above the Federal Reserve’s 2% target. Tariffs have played a role, but a muted one, pushing up prices for goods such as furniture and apparel.


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The U.S. Treasury is on track to collect $34 billion in October, according to a Pantheon Macroeconomics analysis of customs data. If that pace continues, the U.S. would be on track for $400 billion over a full year, short of Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent’s August prediction that tariffs could bring in between $500 billion and $1 trillion a year.


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Loopholes and exemptions mean many goods avoid higher levies. At the same time, companies have moved production from countries facing high tariffs—especially China—to countries such as Vietnam, Mexico and Turkey that face lower levies for many goods. That pushes down effective rates.

“They’re saying: I’m not avoiding offshore, but I’m diversifying,” said Randy Altschuler, chief executive of Xometry, an online marketplace that connects manufacturers with suppliers around the globe.


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Even where U.S. companies have to pay full tariffs, they are passing only some of these costs on to consumers. Bank of America estimates that consumers are paying 50%-70% of tariff costs so far, with companies covering the rest. A key reason: Corporate profit margins are much higher today than before the pandemic, making it easier for companies to pay tariffs without raising prices.

Retailers are in a position to afford to pay 30% of the tariff costs and still keep their profit margins at roughly the level they averaged during the 2010s, Pantheon estimates.

Take the car industry. Average auto prices in September were only about 1.1% higher than in March, after adjusting for seasonality, according to JPMorgan, even though car imports from many countries faced tariffs of 15% or more.

That number implies carmakers are paying about 80% of the tariff costs and only passing 20% on to customers, JPMorgan estimates. Car prices are up significantly since 2020, and manufacturers worry that consumers simply can’t afford to pay more. The same postpandemic inflation that boosted prices also padded profit margins, making it easier for carmakers to absorb tariffs today.


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Aside from inflation, economists worried tariffs would drag down consumer spending, which accounts for almost 70% of gross domestic product. In April, consumer confidence fell to the lowest level since 2022. In the past, drops in confidence have often led to a decline in spending. This year, Americans boosted by a record-high stock market and low unemployment have kept shopping.


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So basically is sounds like the tariffs haven't raised prices to the sky-high worries some "experts" thought, and even with some increases, Americans are still buying shite.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
16801 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:20 am to
The sky screamers still come around and flip out over one product that’s gone up 10% this year.
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Winnfield, LA
Member since Jul 2008
23735 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:21 am to
Inflation is still 3%, but I’m happy to make a sacrifice for more manufacturing jobs
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92291 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:23 am to
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Inflation is still 3%,


Says who the BLS? They certainly are reliable
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62048 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:23 am to
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there are few signs of a domestic manufacturing boom.


I’m not commenting on the efficacy of tariffs per se, but do people honestly expect a drastic increase in domestic manufacturing in such a short period of time? Offshoring has been an ongoing process for at least 30 years (arguably longer).
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
33524 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:24 am to
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Defied Doomsday Predictions


I am still waiting on the camps to be built for the homosexuals that I was promised would happen under our current "dictator."
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
9542 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:25 am to
I will say, as someone who criticizes this admin A LOT, for all the hoopla about the economy, I sure do see a lot of folks out and about. Even in Alexandria, LA where the median income is low, this past weekend we went out to eat, saw plenty of other folks eating, and then went to Target which was more packed than normal. I know a lot of that is holiday shopping, but it didn't seem any slower than a year in which things were "good".
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
9542 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:26 am to
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Says who the BLS? They certainly are reliable


The problem with statements like this is that if you truly believe that we can't rely on the BLS, you should be prepping a doomsday bunker because the entire system is going to snap.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
155201 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:27 am to
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“I’m not sure they’ve mattered as much as people thought they would,” said Kelly Kowalski, head of investment strategies at MassMutual.

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Kelly Kowalski




Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
119830 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:28 am to
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I am still waiting on the camps to be built for the homosexuals


You want a camp for homosexuals? Plan on staying a few nights?
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43812 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:41 am to
I’ll never understand those that need to tax a victory lap over increased taxes. Great. The gov’t takes more of our money and yet still spends us into oblivion. Glad your guy won.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
42901 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:42 am to
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, but I’m happy to make a sacrifice for more manufacturing jobs


Has it created any yet? Genuine question.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
21639 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:44 am to
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At the same time, companies have moved production from countries facing high tariffs—especially China—to countries such as Vietnam, Mexico and Turkey that face lower levies for many goods


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Bank of America estimates that consumers are paying 50%-70% of tariff costs so far


So not only are companies not moving back to the US, we're paying 50-70% of the tariff cost for it. Winning!
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
58474 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:50 am to
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So not only are companies not moving back to the US, we're paying 50-70% of the tariff cost for it. Winning!


Just go along with it, you're not supposed to question it
Posted by forkedintheroad
Member since Feb 2025
1291 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:51 am to
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I will say, as someone who criticizes this admin A LOT, for all the hoopla about the economy, I sure do see a lot of folks out and about. Even in Alexandria, LA where the median income is low, this past weekend we went out to eat, saw plenty of other folks eating, and then went to Target which was more packed than normal. I know a lot of that is holiday shopping, but it didn't seem any slower than a year in which things were "good".


Nobody is willing to give up their experiences even when they need to tighten the belt.

FOMO > Saving
Posted by uptowntiger84
uptown
Member since Jul 2011
4939 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:58 am to
Because the whole thing g was overblown to make Trump look bad. The left does tgis every time he makes a decision. Juat look at the government shut down. If the roles were reversed what do you think the Dems would be screaming?
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
61385 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:04 am to
My first thought too.
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
9542 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:05 am to
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Nobody is willing to give up their experiences even when they need to tighten the belt.


Is this really it?

I see people use coupons to save $3 sometimes.

The population as a whole is motivated by money.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
18528 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:09 am to
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I’m not commenting on the efficacy of tariffs per se, but do people honestly expect a drastic increase in domestic manufacturing in such a short period of time? Offshoring has been an ongoing process for at least 30 years (arguably longer).


Yeah, this part of it is the long game. Remains to be seen if it will work, but people who thought it would happen quickly are not well informed. It takes a lot of time to move manufacturing/factories.
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
5138 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:11 am to
If...

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the economy continues to grow despite the steepest tariffs in almost a century.


and

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the promised benefits of tariffs also largely haven’t come to pass: Revenues from Trump’s levies have been far lower than the Treasury Department predicted, and there are few signs of a domestic manufacturing boom.


Then its time to raise tariffs even more.
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