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Pogy Boat Buffer Reduction LWF Commission Nov 6 - Be There
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:13 am
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:13 am
A reminder for all of you fine outdoorsmen that the LWF Commission hearing and vote on reducing the 1/2 mile buffer for pogy boats is this week, Nov 6 at 930. 2000 Quail Drive in Baton Rouge.
It’s important that people show up, even if you dont speak and just submit a card in opposition to the proposed change. The commissioners are sometimes very simple minded and will just vote based on how many cards each side submits, indicating how many people care enough to show up.
The commission chairman (Sagrera) is an alligator farmer and the main cost for alligator farming is food pellets made mostly of pogy meal. He is friendly with the pogy boats. After only 1 full season of the 0.5 mile buffer in place, the industry asked Sagrera to direct LDWF to reduce the buffer. What resulted is this hearing on Nov 6 where the 7 commissioners will vote on the fleshed out proposed new buffer where most of the 0.5 mile buffer would be reduced to 0.25 miles.
This matters because every inch closer to shore they fish, the more bycatch damage they do. They should be pushed out 1 mile or even 3 miles from shore, not allowed closer. A reduction in any buffer is going to increase the number of bull reds they kill. The LGL bycatch study made this crystal clear. Any of us would face a 150 fine and up to 60 days in jail if we harvested a bull red, but these guys kill over 30,000 every year and want to kill more by fishing closer to shore. They kill 240,000 speckled trout every year. Over 2 million croaker annually. All of these species have stocks that are critically low.
Louisiana is the only state in the gulf with virtually no restrictions on these boats and now they focus their harvest here intensely. Pogy is the most important forage for just about every other fish we care about from redfish to trout to tarpon and even yellowfin tuna in winter. In the 1960s only about half of the gulf pogy harvest came from Louisiana but today it’s almost 100% since FL, AL banned them, TX restricted to the point where they dont fish there, and MS has a full 1 mile buffer everywhere and around all islands. Every pogy plant has closed except for 3 remaining that process the 1 billion lbs caught annually in Louisiana.
Recreational anglers in LA harvest abut 35 million lbs of all fish species biomass annually. Shrimpers land about 60 million lbs annually. But the pogy boats remove over 1 billion lbs of the most important forage from our water. We used to have thriving populations of tarpon, but those are almost all gone. Tarpon only eat pogy when they migrate to the norther gulf every summer. They need the large schools, but since those are removed immediately as soon as a spotter plane sees one, the tarpon cant exist here like they used to. Large trout used to be more common, but no one has seen one hit the top 10 records list in almost 25 years. We reduced the limits of both reds and trout because those populations are falling rapidly and recruitment is at historic lows. All of this while recreational harvest biomass of reds and trout are at 4 decade lows. We dont have enough breeding stock of trout and reds, in other words. And guess what is the primary forage for breeding sized trout and reds when they spawn all summer… you guessed it, gulf menhaden aka pogy.
Showing up Thursday matters because the pogy industry is rich and in the pockets of important politicians. But this is a 90/10 issue - most people in Louisiana want the pogy boats gone. We have the power. But we have to take action when the opportunity presents itself. I look forward to seeing you there, please submit a card in opposition to the pogy boats. If you want to make a public comment, even better.
LWF Commission Meeting Details
It’s important that people show up, even if you dont speak and just submit a card in opposition to the proposed change. The commissioners are sometimes very simple minded and will just vote based on how many cards each side submits, indicating how many people care enough to show up.
The commission chairman (Sagrera) is an alligator farmer and the main cost for alligator farming is food pellets made mostly of pogy meal. He is friendly with the pogy boats. After only 1 full season of the 0.5 mile buffer in place, the industry asked Sagrera to direct LDWF to reduce the buffer. What resulted is this hearing on Nov 6 where the 7 commissioners will vote on the fleshed out proposed new buffer where most of the 0.5 mile buffer would be reduced to 0.25 miles.
This matters because every inch closer to shore they fish, the more bycatch damage they do. They should be pushed out 1 mile or even 3 miles from shore, not allowed closer. A reduction in any buffer is going to increase the number of bull reds they kill. The LGL bycatch study made this crystal clear. Any of us would face a 150 fine and up to 60 days in jail if we harvested a bull red, but these guys kill over 30,000 every year and want to kill more by fishing closer to shore. They kill 240,000 speckled trout every year. Over 2 million croaker annually. All of these species have stocks that are critically low.
Louisiana is the only state in the gulf with virtually no restrictions on these boats and now they focus their harvest here intensely. Pogy is the most important forage for just about every other fish we care about from redfish to trout to tarpon and even yellowfin tuna in winter. In the 1960s only about half of the gulf pogy harvest came from Louisiana but today it’s almost 100% since FL, AL banned them, TX restricted to the point where they dont fish there, and MS has a full 1 mile buffer everywhere and around all islands. Every pogy plant has closed except for 3 remaining that process the 1 billion lbs caught annually in Louisiana.
Recreational anglers in LA harvest abut 35 million lbs of all fish species biomass annually. Shrimpers land about 60 million lbs annually. But the pogy boats remove over 1 billion lbs of the most important forage from our water. We used to have thriving populations of tarpon, but those are almost all gone. Tarpon only eat pogy when they migrate to the norther gulf every summer. They need the large schools, but since those are removed immediately as soon as a spotter plane sees one, the tarpon cant exist here like they used to. Large trout used to be more common, but no one has seen one hit the top 10 records list in almost 25 years. We reduced the limits of both reds and trout because those populations are falling rapidly and recruitment is at historic lows. All of this while recreational harvest biomass of reds and trout are at 4 decade lows. We dont have enough breeding stock of trout and reds, in other words. And guess what is the primary forage for breeding sized trout and reds when they spawn all summer… you guessed it, gulf menhaden aka pogy.
Showing up Thursday matters because the pogy industry is rich and in the pockets of important politicians. But this is a 90/10 issue - most people in Louisiana want the pogy boats gone. We have the power. But we have to take action when the opportunity presents itself. I look forward to seeing you there, please submit a card in opposition to the pogy boats. If you want to make a public comment, even better.
LWF Commission Meeting Details
This post was edited on 11/1/25 at 11:18 am
Posted on 11/1/25 at 10:00 am to WizardSleeve
The buffer isn’t the biggest problem. They catch 900 million pounds of menhaden off of the Louisiana coast. By their own published studies they have a 3-5% bycatch. Do the math on that.
Trout, reds, bluefish, Spanish mackerel and tarpon are all feeding on menhaden. The industry in Louisiana needs a reduced catch quota, shortened season and a buffer. It’s not just a one issue problem.
Trout, reds, bluefish, Spanish mackerel and tarpon are all feeding on menhaden. The industry in Louisiana needs a reduced catch quota, shortened season and a buffer. It’s not just a one issue problem.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 10:56 am to chew4219
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The industry in Louisiana needs a reduced catch quota, shortened season and a buffer. It’s not just a one issue problem.
Correct. Will you come to the hearing this Thursday and make that statement? We need everyone educated on the issue to be there.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 12:10 pm to WizardSleeve
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Correct. Will you come to the hearing this Thursday and make that statement? We need everyone educated on the issue to be there.
Trust me when I tell you this, Kevin is acutely aware of my stance on this issue. I have repeatedly voiced my displeasure with him and Bob Hensgens.
Nothing will change until the CCA and BTT(Bonefish & Tarpon Trust) and Congressional Sportsman’s Foundation get behind the issue.
The Tarpon issue is the only way to get any sort of meaningful regulatory changes to be implemented.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 1:47 pm to chew4219
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Nothing will change until the CCA and BTT(Bonefish & Tarpon Trust) and Congressional Sportsman’s Foundation get behind the issue.
CCA is fully behind the issue but y’all keep posting otherwise in here.
I think speckled trout and redfish along with tarpon will help the issue. We are catching less and less trout and redfish.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 1:50 pm to Motorboat
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CCA is fully behind the issue but y’all keep posting otherwise in here.
You’re missing my point, recreational fishermen and CCA isn’t enough. There needs to be more organizations involved to combat the united front that the menhaden industry has.
CCA has done positive work and is effective in certain areas. But it’s not enough on their own.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 1:51 pm to chew4219
10-4. Please show up next week. I’ll be there.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 4:17 pm to Motorboat
I’ll be at work, unfortunately.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 3:01 pm to chew4219
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The buffer isn’t the biggest problem. They catch 900 million pounds of menhaden off of the Louisiana coast. By their own published studies they have a 3-5% bycatch. Do the math on that.
That is 36 million lbs of by catch
Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:13 am to chew4219
CCA and BTT are already on this issue as well as the TRCP. I haven't seen the CSF post anything about it specifically.
But i will give it to CCA, they have been pushing this issue full force in last few months along with BTT and TRCP with advertising and making the information known to the general public.
Unfortunately, the general public still does not understand the difference between the roles/impact of LDWF, LWFC, legislature (state), and Congress (federal) on this issue. It's not a one prong press.
But i will give it to CCA, they have been pushing this issue full force in last few months along with BTT and TRCP with advertising and making the information known to the general public.
Unfortunately, the general public still does not understand the difference between the roles/impact of LDWF, LWFC, legislature (state), and Congress (federal) on this issue. It's not a one prong press.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:57 am to WizardSleeve
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The commission chairman (Sagrera)
He's the fricking problem, it's a conflict of interest that Sagrera is the Commission Chairman and Omega is located in his Parish.
This is beyond 'typical' politics for Louisiana. CCA would do better taking their money and filing a petition for Judicial Review in 19th JDC.
I would gladly donate to this cause.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 10:24 am to Novastar
Lets go...the meeting is on Thursday. Even if you can't stay, please try to go by and fill out a card of opposition. It matters.
We can all sit here and bitch about it, but here is your chance to show up.
We can all sit here and bitch about it, but here is your chance to show up.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 10:30 am to craazyjose
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Lets go...the meeting is on Thursday. Even if you can't stay, please try to go by and fill out a card of opposition. It matters.
We can all sit here and bitch about it, but here is your chance to show up.
You better get there early, or possibly camp out the night before. The last meeting was flooded with every boat captain, deck hands, and everyone else supporting their cause. They all boo hoo'd about their lively hood and generational right being taken away.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:33 pm to Novastar
Kevin Sagrera, chairman of LWF Commission
And also
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Abbeville, LA Commercial fishing and fur industry representative Terms ends January 2028
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The Commission is charged with the control and supervision of the wildlife of the state, including all aquatic life
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:43 pm to Novastar
I just emailed Rene and Sherry with the Marine/Inland division.
rlebreton@wlf.la.gov
smorton@wlf.la.gov
rlebreton@wlf.la.gov
smorton@wlf.la.gov
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:49 pm to Novastar
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generational right being taken away
Is that an effective argument to get my family's land back?
Posted on 11/4/25 at 10:35 am to SilverPoon985
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But i will give it to CCA, they have been pushing this issue full force in last few months along with BTT and TRCP with advertising and making the information known to the general public.
Unfortunately, the general public still does not understand the difference between the roles/impact of LDWF, LWFC, legislature (state), and Congress (federal) on this issue. It's not a one prong press.
I said same thing. Pogey lobby large, bigger than CCA and BTT together. Only way Commission takes action is if enough sportsmen contact them or their legislators to make it happen. Otherwise that spineless POS Sagera will continue to do as he pleases.
This post was edited on 11/4/25 at 10:36 am
Posted on 11/5/25 at 8:11 am to TopWaterTiger
I have to work Thursday. Who can we email? What else can we do?
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