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Will we be incapable of playing defense if we open up the offense?

Posted on 9/15/25 at 2:45 pm
Posted by crotiger0307
Utah
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 9/15/25 at 2:45 pm
I just can understand the logic.. “we have a great defense so we can play as conservative as possible on the offensive side of the ball (to the tune of 17 offensive points per game) because we have faith our defense won’t give up more than that.”

So if we start to score in the 30’s and 40’s are we afraid that our defense will play worse? Maybe I’m old school but “playing to win the game” is as simple as putting as much point differential up on the score board as efficiently as possible.

We aren’t efficient at all and the sentiment seems to be “well we haven’t had to score many points yet so we don’t feel we need to address anything until we fall behind.”

Maybe an overreaction, but I’m dumbfounded by both the in game attitude and the disregard for the obvious issue off the field.
Posted by iamandykeim
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
3497 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 2:48 pm to
Think it's more about limiting turnovers than it is about not wanting to score points. No one on the coaching staff thinks that scoring more points is a bad thing for the team. The conservative mindset is based around the idea that if our worst result is a punt, then that will be enough to win certain games.

Also, Brian Kelly said today that there are issues with the running game and technique issues with run blocking. He's not out here saying that the gameplan was executed perfectly or that the gameplan was perfect. My biggest takeaway was him saying that he believes Nuss would benefit from not checking at the line on every snap and "just go play" - mentioned that Nuss is too smart at times, which I hear as him saying that he may be overthinking things pre-snap.
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 2:54 pm
Posted by OlDirtyTiger7
Member since Sep 2017
615 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 2:48 pm to
You are correct. It's complete nonsense. It only makes sense if you are playing the TOP game and extending drives and shortening the game, which we are completely unable to do anyway. Going 3-and-out is not a viable strategy under any circumstance
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 9/15/25 at 2:48 pm to
I think you are missing the second part of the decision to play conservative: Nuss has a torso injury that is limiting his ability to push the ball down the field.
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 2:49 pm
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
31705 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 2:50 pm to
You guys must play Madden with fatigue turned off
Posted by Lsutigerturner
Member since Dec 2016
7108 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 2:52 pm to
Pressure makes diamonds
I have think a conservative offense is always the right answer with a stellar defense.


There is merit to this argument and I agree
Posted by cajuntiger1010
Member since Jan 2015
13573 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 2:55 pm to
I mean we are undefeated. No other team played 3 straight good defenses like us.

2019 we let 8-5 Texas & Vandy score 38 on us in september. I think this board understands the Offense has a lot of room to grow and they will. I rather be happy with a two-score win over our rival who came in with nothing to lose
Posted by mcspufftiger7
Member since Oct 2020
2994 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 2:55 pm to
Kelly kind of said something like that during the postgame press conference. he said it in passing but during an answer he said something to the affect that 'we didn't want to throw the ball or we didn't want to pass." i thought that was a weird thing to say with Nuss at QB and all those talented receivers but now it makes sense.
Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
1682 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 3:00 pm to
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So if we start to score in the 30’s and 40’s are we afraid that our defense will play worse? Maybe I’m old school but “playing to win the game” is as simple as putting as much point differential up on the score board as efficiently as possible.
Given BK's announcement this morning that Nuss has been playing with an oblique injury all season then I'm not sure your point is germane.

Playing to win, in this case, may also include playing to protect our injured players while still winning the game.

If Nuss was truly hamstrung with an oblique (which definitely affects his ability to torque his trunk when throwing) then I can understand not putting him in a position to fail, or where he's asked to make throws that aren't needed to win.

The biggest change, though (at least IMO) was when Moore went out against Tech. Now you had a shaky OL in front of a QB that was already playing with some hesitancy. Tech's 3-3-5 was a great way to maximize pressure on a QB that was having trouble pushing the ball down the field and an OL that couldn't keep rushers out of the backfield. So, yeah, Nuss probably turtled up a bit after that.

Then throw in Sloan who (regardless of his ability as an OC) sees a shaky OL, an injury-restricted QB and a defense playing like Hell's own demons and now the playcalling itself gets pared down to the bare minimum.

Then follow that up against Florida. QB is still limited, Moore is back but playing on a high-ankle sprain and your best red-zone threat (Green) is out. Your defense is still balling out like a boss, so yeah, you play within what you can do and lean on your defense to pick up the slack.

It's not pretty, it's not exciting, but we did win both games. And I'd rather play to win in unsexy ways while protecting my injured QB than throw him out there to get crushed under pressure. That's what happened to Lee.

Is this what actually happened? Who the heck knows, but it's the most plausible thing I can come up with. if I'm right then, hopefully, things will get better on offense after the bye.
Posted by how333
Member since Dec 2020
3829 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 3:10 pm to
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I think you are missing the second part of the decision to play conservative: Nuss has a torso injury that is limiting his ability to push the ball down the field.


Even more reason to develop the run game.
Posted by Fuzzy Dunlop
Member since Mar 2025
138 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 3:14 pm to
I play with fatigue on and make sure to go 3 and out consistently in order to lose the time of possession 22:14-37:46
Posted by crotiger0307
Utah
Member since Jan 2018
839 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 3:16 pm to
All fair points, and I agree Nuss dealing with an injury makes you more conscious of how you play offense.

But I don’t think it justifies “taking what you can get” to the fullest extent of only throwing to the perimeter and running zone reads when on our only TD drive we attacked the middle of the field and essentially walked UF to the end zone.

Not to mention we lined up under center for one play and it was the most explosive of the night.. would love to see more of that in short yardage situations as opposed to running a receiver out to the flat on a -1 yard route when it’s 3rd & 4.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
65685 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 3:39 pm to
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Even more reason to develop the run game


Only so much you can do with a new offensive line vs a loaded box
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
33724 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 3:58 pm to
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I think you are missing the second part of the decision to play conservative: Nuss has a torso injury that is limiting his ability to push the ball down the field.


Does it limit his ability to throw it 7-15 yards between the hashes? Because that is where Nuss and the passing game has thrived. Anderson is a tough matchup to cover in the slot. Thomas is too. Yet, almost like clockwork, Sloan avoids the middle of the field/seams until he's certain, for the 16th game in a row, LSU is not efficient working the boundaries. Does it also hinder Nuss' ability hand off? Because it's not his torso injury that is preventing the running game from having success. It's the predictable approach that either defenses know what is coming or LSU's personnel can't execute well.

Go watch any LSU game under Sloan. The passing game thrives when they attack the middle of the field. It did so again Saturday. But just like every Saturday before, it's as if he will forget what LSU does best to start the game vs Ole Miss.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
33724 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 4:13 pm to
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Only so much you can do with a new offensive line vs a loaded box


Change the approach.

In 2021 Ty Davis Price had 140 TOTAL rushing yards in the first 5 games of the season. Ahead of the Kentucky game LSU inserted a seldom used TE named Jack Mashburn to block and started running more counter plays than the slow developing runs they were in the first 5 games that were getting nothing. The result for TDP: 147 vs. Kentucky; 287 vs Florida (school record), 104 vs. Alabama, 106 vs. Arkansas.

From 140 yards in 5 games to a 1000 yard rusher. Same RB. Same OL. All LSU did was add a TE and change their approach to the running game.

It's been 16 games now and Sloan's run-game approach isn't working. Once again, LSU is at the bottom of the SEC in rushing. How many more games does the coaching staff have to watch to realize the approach to the run game is NOT working? Continuing to take the same approach and expect differnent results is insanity.
Posted by SFVtiger
Member since Oct 2003
4434 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 4:22 pm to
look what happened to Fla w/ a pretty good defense. 5 interceptions won the game
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
106751 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 4:35 pm to
Yes, if the Defense gets too much rest their muscles tighten up and the quality of their play declines. The Offense has to go 3 and out to keep the Defense loose.
Posted by jtweezy
Natchez, MS
Member since May 2008
333 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 4:38 pm to
I’m kinda believing Kelly in that we are purposely conservative. Reminds me of 03 when it seemed like we were conservative with the lead and as soon as the other team scored we marched down the field and answered. Might just be wishful thinking.
Posted by John Rambeaux
Heauxpe, WA
Member since Oct 2023
364 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 5:28 pm to
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Think it's more about limiting turnovers than it is about not wanting to score points.


True but the flip side of going 3 and out every series is not giving your defense any time to rest at all.

Be conservative, but you gotta run some fricking clock in the process.
Posted by Dylan
Bayou Barbary
Member since May 2009
3625 posts
Posted on 9/15/25 at 5:44 pm to
His logic is not turn the ball over and play field position battle, but at some point you’ll have to score points. You have to show other looks and extend drives. The defense will be tired if they’re constantly on the field after constant 3 and outs. Look at the 2011 team in the national championship game. The defense played great for 3 quarters, but after the offenses struggling and them constantly being on the field against a strong physical team they got tired.

I’m okay with being on the more conservative side, but at least make it a balanced attack and put the odds in your favor. For example don’t line up and do a shotgun handoff up the middle with a stacked box, or run a “read” option with a qb that’s obviously not going to run it.
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