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Reality of the running game under Kelly and Davis
Posted on 9/14/25 at 11:45 am
Posted on 9/14/25 at 11:45 am
Everyone is complaining that Davis has been the issue and the only reason we got good rushing stats overall in 2022 and 2023 was Daniel’s rushing.
Reality is quite different.
2023 - 5 RBs with at least 20 carries averaged 4.9 ypc or higher with all but two having their longest runs being about 20 yards. Diggs averaged 5.5 ypc on almost 120 carries and he was not a burner breaking big run after big run to inflate that number.
2022 - 4 RBs averaging 4.9 ypc or more on at least 40 carries each. With multiple again in the 5.5 ypc range.
It is all about scheme and run blocking, while not perfect, isn’t the issue. It is Sloan and his play calling/scheme that has killed the running game.
This is no surprise when you looks at his two years calling plays at La Tech where they averaged 3.4 and 2.9 ypc his two seasons after they were 4.4 ypc the prior season to him taking over.
Sloan is the problem and he is the one with the history of bad rushing offenses directly linked to him for 4 seasons now.
LSU is averaging 3.7 ypc right now. They averaged 4.1 ypc last season as a team and if you remove Durham’s one 86 yard rush, it drops to 3.8.
Reality is quite different.
2023 - 5 RBs with at least 20 carries averaged 4.9 ypc or higher with all but two having their longest runs being about 20 yards. Diggs averaged 5.5 ypc on almost 120 carries and he was not a burner breaking big run after big run to inflate that number.
2022 - 4 RBs averaging 4.9 ypc or more on at least 40 carries each. With multiple again in the 5.5 ypc range.
It is all about scheme and run blocking, while not perfect, isn’t the issue. It is Sloan and his play calling/scheme that has killed the running game.
This is no surprise when you looks at his two years calling plays at La Tech where they averaged 3.4 and 2.9 ypc his two seasons after they were 4.4 ypc the prior season to him taking over.
Sloan is the problem and he is the one with the history of bad rushing offenses directly linked to him for 4 seasons now.
LSU is averaging 3.7 ypc right now. They averaged 4.1 ypc last season as a team and if you remove Durham’s one 86 yard rush, it drops to 3.8.
This post was edited on 9/14/25 at 11:49 am
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Posted on 9/14/25 at 11:48 am to Geauxgurt
The run at the end of the game was pretty damn good though. The offense is a work in progress, but we’re 3-0. Calling to fire the OC right now is peak insanity.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 11:48 am to Geauxgurt
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It is all about scheme and run blocking, while not perfect, isn’t the issue. It is Sloan and his play calling/scheme that has killed the running game.
This is no surprise when you looks at his two years calling plays at La Tech where they averaged 3.4 and 2.9 ypc his two seasons after they were 4.4 ypc the prior season to him taking over.
Sloan is the problem and he is the one with the history of bad rushing offenses directly linked to him for 4 seasons now.
I agree that Sloan is a problem and that he is woefully underqualified to be running a Power 5 school's offense. That said, Kelly brought in Alex Atkins from FSU to oversee the running game. Exactly what the hell is he doing?
Posted on 9/14/25 at 11:50 am to Geauxgurt
There were defenders living in our backfield all night. No one is running the ball when that happens.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 11:54 am to Riverside
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The run at the end of the game was pretty damn good though. The offense is a work in progress, but we’re 3-0. Calling to fire the OC right now is peak insanity.
You are joking right? Please be joking, because one run means progress?
LSU outside of that one run had 24 others for 51 yards. That is not including the lost yardage on the fumble too. That’s 96% of the time averaging 2.1 ypc.
Last year we had one 86 yard run from Durham. Guess that showed the run game was fixed.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 11:56 am to Geauxgurt
It means we iced the game and won. That’s the only stat that matters.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:05 pm to Geauxgurt
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LSU outside of that one run had 24 others for 51 yards.
Typical rant - remove the good so I can only focus on the bad. The run game needs to get better and I think Sloan is the issue. But removing the run game’s biggest success of the night that iced the game is stupid.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:08 pm to Geauxgurt
I saw holes and gaps… backs didn’t have vision to run to the gaps.
Need to run more to perimeter and less to the interior.
Need to run more to perimeter and less to the interior.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:23 pm to Geauxgurt
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It is all about scheme and run blocking, while not perfect, isn’t the issue. It is Sloan and his play calling/scheme that has killed the running game.
We lack big tunning backs. That is part of the problem.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:25 pm to doubleb
Kaleb Jackson says hi
This post was edited on 9/14/25 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:26 pm to Geauxgurt
Jayden was a great running threat, so that opened up things for the backs. You put a non-running quarterback in there in 2022 and 2023, you get the same thing as last year and this year.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:27 pm to Lgrnwd
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by LgrnwdKaleb Jackson says
Jackson hadn’t appeared to be SEC quality in his limited action. He is what we need size wise.
This post was edited on 9/14/25 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:30 pm to Geauxgurt
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Sloan is the problem and he is the one with the history of bad rushing offenses directly linked to him
Brad Davis’ career stats at previous stops don’t look great. Those were posted after LaTech IIRC
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:32 pm to LSUTIGAHS123
Of course you and I can see it, maybe the backs have tunnel vision or they’re not reacting fast enough to hit the gaps. maybe nuss isn’t handing it off quick enough.
There’s definitely issues though
There’s definitely issues though
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:33 pm to Riverside
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The run at the end of the game was pretty damn good though. The offense is a work in progress, but we’re 3-0. Calling to fire the OC right now is peak insanity.
You mean one where we were under center and in a pro I (kinda)? Yeah. People wanted the spread. You wanted 500yds passing. This is it.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:34 pm to DirtyMike14
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Typical rant - remove the good so I can only focus on the bad. The run game needs to get better and I think Sloan is the issue. But removing the run game’s biggest success of the night that iced the game is stupid.
No. It’s not typical rant to note that one run shouldn’t be used to ignore the other 24. I can’t understand how some of you think one breakaway play that got LSU to less than 4 ypc is somehow good.
It’s the outlier and only happened in a desperation point for UF. It’s like issuing a 4th and inches that goes for 80 yards to mean rushing for 20 yards on 24 carries. Then you see like “yeah! We ran for 5 ypc!”
It’s stupid and ignores reality.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:38 pm to doubleb
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We lack big tunning backs. That is part of the problem.
True, if by that you mean big backs that are fast and good. Everyone raves about the recruiting rankings of the guys we have and I get that. But watching them play at this level, they don’t seem to be in the same league as guys like Jeremy Hill, LF, Guice, etc. None of our opponents are worried about adjusting their defensive schemes to account for our backs.
This post was edited on 9/14/25 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:40 pm to Geauxgurt
Sloan is running Kellys offense. You can only call the plays you have.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:50 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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I agree that Sloan is a problem and that he is woefully underqualified to be running a Power 5 school's offense. That said, Kelly brought in Alex Atkins from FSU to oversee the running game. Exactly what the hell is he doing?
That’s a good question, because most of the counters and outside zone, things you would expect to be influenced by Atkins with his background and previous offense at FSU, the misdirection things that actually worked in Game 1, have been little used or completely gone the last two weeks. Why?
We’ve seen outside zone work, especially with Durham finding cutback lanes. We ran maybe two last night, and one of them went for 5+ yards. We just didn’t keep using it. The jet sweeps and using Thomas in the run game- totally absent last night. We have the speed to get to the edge and stretch defenses. Why was that so little used when we were struggling to run the ball?
Maybe this is a too many cooks in the kitchen situation. If Sloan can’t get it done, and he’s not, put Atkins in charge of the play calling. Do it this week so you have an easy game to work on it.
This post was edited on 9/14/25 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:53 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Sloan is running Kellys offense. You can only call the plays you have.
Kelly never ran this offense at ND. People worried we would run that offense here when he hired Denbrock, but we have always featured WRs out of a spread. We run 12 and 13 personnel maybe 1/4 of the amount that his offenses did at ND. It’s not the same at all.
What we are running today is closer to what he was doing at Cincinnati, but it’s still not the same thing.
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