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Interesting question: Is home ownership becoming the new "college degree"?

Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:28 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:28 am
This is a clip from Graham Stephan's Iced Coffee Hour Podcast. His guests are "The Money Guys', who have their own consumer-finance podcast. They're really, really good at communicating all sorts of finance tips and the episode was pretty great. I highly recommend ( Full show LINK)



However, this specific clip goes into detail comparing how owning a home in today's environment may mirror our hindsight bias with overspending (and, more specifically, over-borrowing) for college degrees. This is the Gemini summary:

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A home is a life decision, not just an investment: Buying a primary residence is more about a long-term plan and putting down roots than it is about making a profit [00:13].

Current market challenges: The video acknowledges that high prices and interest rates make it a difficult time to buy [00:22].

The "College Analogy": A "hot take" is presented that home ownership could become similar to college, where future generations may regret taking on significant debt for it [02:13]. However, both can be good decisions if approached with intentionality [04:06].

Market dynamics: The hosts discuss how government subsidies can influence housing prices, and they express concern about people becoming too comfortable with debt [06:13]. They also emphasize that a house is a "use asset" and not something to bet your entire financial well-being on [08:39, 12:54].


To summarize it even further, you can go to 2:21 and hear the start of that specific digression, but GS (and he admits it's a hot take as of now) postulates that many people may look back in 30 years and see home ownership the way so many see their college degrees/debt. Just as people didn't need expensive degrees for certain jobs, people may get saddled with mortgages the same way they are with SL debt, without the appreciation you'd expect from the "investment".

And, clearly, we're speaking generally. Just like some people pick the right college path, even with massive SLs, some people are going to get the right deals on their home. The video does get into making good decisions and all of that. But the general paradigm may be flipping, and we may be on the front-end of that issue.

But, moving forward, these will be the likely 2 biggest financial decisions most consumers ever make. So they're for sure related in that way.

Here is an unrelated, 29-minute video from Zac Rios with mutiple stories about home buyer remorse in 2025. This video starts off with a clip from another video saying 82% of homebuyers from 2023 and 2024 now regret it. If that's anywhere near true, and we finally see housing market price corrections, holy shite.
Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:30 am to
You’ll own nothing and like it!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:32 am to
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You’ll own nothing and like it!

The problem isn't really that. Too many Americans benefited from being lucky and on the right side of variance, along with15+ years of federal policy to inflate home values.

We've pushed that concept so far in terms of public policy/debt and social expectations that the market will react and paradigm will flip.

The institutional investors started pulling out bigly already because of the threat of a market downturn. They'd be fricked more than consumers in that scenario.
Posted by DonJuanDaMiles
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:34 am to
Or maybe the messaging is pushing people towards renting because banks have been purchasing and building entire developments that you can’t even buy into that are rent only from inception.

So, the it’s smart to not want to buy a home is the lube for the don’t worry about us making home ownership unaffordable.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:42 am to
Per the nation’s leading scholar on wealth ownership, millennials and gen z have been able to achieve wealth levels comparable to boomers and gen x




It is stale 1950s style thinking to view home ownership as a necessary component of becoming wealthy
Posted by lsuconnman
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:43 am to
What happened to all of the articles explaining the current gen doesn’t want to be tied to a mortgage?

I miss the good ole days. It was a simpler time when millennials cherished an experiential existence and girl bosses could have it all.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:43 am to
Owning a home (not one at inflated price) may end up Being a better choice than a lot of college degrees.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:44 am to
quote:

millennials and gen z


Why would someone ever group these 2 together?

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It is stale 1950s style thinking to view home ownership as a necessary component of becoming wealthy

That may be very true and the realization may be years before society in general comprehends the point and agrees.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:45 am to
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Owning a home (not one at inflated price) may end up Being a better choice than a lot of college degrees.

So you agree with the premise that buying a home today is as bad/worse than college degrees? Because housing is severely inflated.
Posted by LSUminati
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:47 am to
I think it’s important to separate owning a home from the two dimensional “investment” thesis behind home ownership. I’m not saying people need to be reckless with their wealth and set their nest egg on fire, but so long as you aren’t under water and appreciate with inflation you should feel ok.

Too many people, probably due to ego, want to feel like they made a good deal or made a good investment they can brag about in the future. The value of home ownership is more about having a sense of steadiness and community.
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:47 am to
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Just as people didn't need expensive degrees for certain jobs, people may get saddled with mortgages the same way they are with SL debt


I’d say the biggest difference here is you can get out of mortgage debt (in most cases) by selling the home. The student loan debt is there to stay. If someone thinks renting is better for them then go for it. There’s no turning back once you have student loan debt.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:49 am to
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I’d say the biggest difference here is you can get out of mortgage debt (in most cases) by selling the home.


If you don't have negative equity.

But yes, it's not a perfect direct comparison. The college degree also presents a much better potential ROI than a single house/mortgage.

This is more about how the traditional thinking of each can be flipped by time and market forces, and many people are proverbial frogs in pots with the water temperature raising and they don't realize it.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:50 am to
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stale 1950s style thinking to view home ownership as a necessary component of becoming wealthy


Owning a home is a cornerstone of the American dream. It should never be a consideration in the same sentence as "wealthy." It should be a baseline for achieving a minor level of success.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:50 am to
quote:

he value of home ownership is more about having a sense of steadiness and community.


This is also discussed in the clip, FWIW.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:50 am to
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Owning a home is a cornerstone of the American dream. It should never be a consideration in the same sentence as "wealthy." It should be a baseline for achieving a minor level of success.


Exactly the traditional thinking trap my post above is referencing.
Posted by Purple Spoon
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:51 am to
Buying a home by any means necessary is the new college degree.

%3 down variable rates and balloon loans passed the smell test at one time. Now they are time bombs for you financial future.

%20 percent down conventional mortgages is still a good deal vs renting
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:53 am to
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Owning a home is a cornerstone of the American dream.


The American dream differs from individual to individual. The American dream is being able to achieve your individual wishes.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:54 am to
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%20 percent down conventional mortgages is still a good deal vs renting


Assuming the homes continue to appreciate.

Putting down 20% for a relatively expensive loan on depreciating property that is expensive to maintain sounds like hell on earth, economically.
Posted by wutangfinancial
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:54 am to
Go look at an amortization table for a home priced at $400k financed by a 30 year loan with a 6.3% interest rate and you tell me if it’s a smart decision. You’re paying interest at 10x the rate of principal by year ten if you’re only paying the monthly minimum.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 11:57 am to
An america were only the "wealthy" can own homes is not the america i want for my children.
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