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WSJ: “They are in the top 10% of earners; but they don’t feel rich”
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:34 pm
WSJ
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American households that make about $250,000 or more are typically considered to be in the top 10% of earners. Many in that bracket realize that the number sounds huge—and by many measures, affluent Americans are indeed thriving. Yet the top-line figures can mask a sense of financial fragility in many high-earning families.
Years of soaring costs for housing, college, insurance and borrowing feel oppressive, even for those with hefty paychecks. They might be sitting on a mountain of home-equity gains, but that doesn’t provide a huge sense of security when companies are getting rid of white-collar workers and it’s the rare employer that offers a guaranteed pension.
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Killingsworth runs an app that asks tens of thousands of people ongoing questions about their level of happiness. More than a quarter of people whose households earn between $200,000 and $300,000 a year report that they are either “not very satisfied” or “not at all satisfied” with their financial situation, he said.
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This group has also been the main beneficiary of a huge run-up in asset values since the pandemic, even though a lot of the increase is in retirement accounts and home values that they can’t necessarily tap easily. The net worth of the top 20% of earners has risen by more than $35 trillion, or 46%, since the end of 2019, according to Federal Reserve data.
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While 90% of households in the top 10% owned their primary residence in 2022, that is down from more than 94% in 2001, according to the Fed. Many affluent people who locked in low mortgage rates when they bought their homes years ago don’t feel like they can afford to upgrade.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:41 pm to member12
It’s all relative
These types of articles are useless for comparison sake in most instances due to COL varying so much from region to region in the USA.
These types of articles are useless for comparison sake in most instances due to COL varying so much from region to region in the USA.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:42 pm to member12
250k to 300k was probably a really good living 10 years ago. shite has gone through the roof and it’s probably not going as far now.
Think of home prices 10 years ago and interest rates during Covid. The housing, insurance and car prices have all skyrocketed.
Think of home prices 10 years ago and interest rates during Covid. The housing, insurance and car prices have all skyrocketed.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:51 pm to masoncj
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It’s all relative These types of articles are useless for comparison sake in most instances due to COL varying so much from region to region in the USA.
Yeah 300k in San Fran/New York City is going to be a lot less than Baton Rouge.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 7:30 am
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:52 pm to Rize
We don't make 250k HH income and feel pretty comfortable in BR. We are probably in the top 20% though and we aren't big spenders. Still have one kid on the payroll about to start college.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 9:08 pm to member12
They read the OT and feel poor.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:06 pm to member12
If you don’t have kids 250k in most places you are doing great.
Kids it’s a different story. Especially teenagers. Phones, cars, insurance, upcoming college, clothes, etc. stacks up pretty fast.
Kids it’s a different story. Especially teenagers. Phones, cars, insurance, upcoming college, clothes, etc. stacks up pretty fast.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 12:19 am to member12
I find these statistics fascinating as I’m technically in the top 1% of earned income for the US. I have made about $350k annually the last few years. Married with no kids living in a city of 200,000 in the South. I’m comfortable, don’t stress about finances, and we travel regularly (DC for a week this summer and Portugal last year) but I don’t feel rich (maybe my definition of rich is out of whack due to watching The Real Housewives with my wife). Both our cars are 5 or more years old and neither is really high end. Our biggest splurge is take out sushi once a week. My wife mainly shops at Marshalls and TJMaxx and I only buy clothes if they are on sale. I’m putting at least $40,000 a year into retirement savings and have over $100k just in a Robinhood play money account I could cash out at any time. I pay my bills and invest but I’ve still always got money left over….I just don’t feel like it’s 1% of the country rich money. People don’t realize how rare frick you money really is.
This post was edited on 7/2/25 at 12:29 am
Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:43 am to member12
When you’re paying like $5k a month ($700k @ 7ish %) for a 4 BR / 3 bath and $1500 per month per kid in daycare, it doesn’t go very far
Posted on 7/2/25 at 7:07 am to member12
People just spend crazy amounts of money. Especially in HCOL/VHCOL cities. You should live a very comfortable life if you're making $200,000 to $300,000 in just about any city in the US.
$250k a year is roughly $13,500/mo net. Even if you spend $4k to $5k on housing, you still have ~$9,000 for all other expenses/savings/etc. Are you dining out at expensive restaurants weekly? Buying new cars? You are if you don't want to feel rich, which is what a lot of the people in this article are probably doing.
$250k a year is roughly $13,500/mo net. Even if you spend $4k to $5k on housing, you still have ~$9,000 for all other expenses/savings/etc. Are you dining out at expensive restaurants weekly? Buying new cars? You are if you don't want to feel rich, which is what a lot of the people in this article are probably doing.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:08 am to member12
The question that I don't think this article answered is what does it mean to "feel rich?" It appears that the people highlighted in the article had bills increase along with their income, it doesn't have to work that way. To me "feeling rich" is about financial freedom. Meaning you can walk away owing no one and live the rest of your life off of your assets. If you make $200-$300K a year and are not satisfied with your situation then maybe change habits or find a way to further increase income. If you make that amount and are not increasing your assets then maybe you are the problem.
I'd be very interested in the board's take on what it means to "feel rich."
I'd be very interested in the board's take on what it means to "feel rich."
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:20 am to member12
This makes sense to me. $250k is obviously a really nice income, but it’s not enough to not give a shite about your finances. You’re stuck in the middle there of “I make “a lot” of money, but I still stress about my finances”
If you make $80k you know you aren’t going to have enough money to do whatever you want and when you get to a half million you start to get to the point of not having to truly worry about your money. $250k is right in that in between land.
If you make $80k you know you aren’t going to have enough money to do whatever you want and when you get to a half million you start to get to the point of not having to truly worry about your money. $250k is right in that in between land.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:30 am to member12
The people who write these articles live in New York or LA.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:31 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I'm in the 330K world. I have a beautiful home, one newish car and a 10 yr old truck.
I am able to max out my 401k and purchase .01 BTC every 2 weeks. We are able to take a few trips throughout the US each year, but nothing extravagant.
I am comfortable, but would never consider myself rich and always have funds in the back of my mind.
I am able to max out my 401k and purchase .01 BTC every 2 weeks. We are able to take a few trips throughout the US each year, but nothing extravagant.
I am comfortable, but would never consider myself rich and always have funds in the back of my mind.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:33 am to Mingo Was His NameO
The difference for a lot of people in that income bracket is weather you are a W2 employee vs deriving income through an LLC or S corp. I have personally been on both sides and made close to 400k as both a W2 employee and as a single employee LLC owner. The tax burden between the two is night and day.
In either scenario however, you are not “rich” by any means.
In either scenario however, you are not “rich” by any means.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:44 am to NewIberiaHaircut
quote:I'd imagine it would center on self-satisfaction and not constantly lamenting that "the grass is greener" elsewhere.
I'd be very interested in the board's take on what it means to "feel rich."
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:50 am to member12
No matter what your income is, 95% adjust their standard of living to meet it.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:55 am to TheOcean
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$250k a year is roughly $13,500/mo net.
After retirement, insurance, other benefits, it's starts to shrink more. Then there is daycare, etc. in our situation. I don't feel broke by any means. But hardly feel wealthy and we do better than that as a household.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 9:01 am to TheOcean
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$250k a year is roughly $13,500/mo net. Even if you spend $4k to $5k on housing, you still have ~$9,000 for all other expenses/savings/etc. Are you dining out at expensive restaurants weekly? Buying new cars? You are if you don't want to feel rich, which is what a lot of the people in this article are probably doing.
More like $10k/mth if you’re paying for benefits and funding retirements and HSAs….and paying your taxes. It’s enough to live comfortably with an annual vacation and not sweat the random surprise expenses…but with two teenagers you’re not banking a lot either.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 9:03 am to NoEmpathy
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The tax burden between the two is night and day.
Which is worse?
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