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Solar and wind tax in the BBB "surprises" Republicans
Posted on 7/1/25 at 7:58 am
Posted on 7/1/25 at 7:58 am
IDC if they tax solar and wind for using Chinese parts. I care that the people voting this monstrosity into existence don't even know what's in it.
We truly need single-issue bills and a Congress that does its job and votes on them.
A megabill mystery: New solar and wind tax comes as a surprise to Republican senators
We truly need single-issue bills and a Congress that does its job and votes on them.
A megabill mystery: New solar and wind tax comes as a surprise to Republican senators
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Tucked inside Republicans' massive domestic policy bill is an excise tax for wind and solar projects, a provision that came as a surprise not just to the renewable energy industry, but also to numerous senators who are crafting the legislation.
In a twist, Republican senators insist they don't know how or why the tax was inserted into the bill they're rushing to pass. No senator is taking credit for or defending it. And at least one wants it removed.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., the Budget Committee chairman, who released the 940-page bill, said he doesn't know where that provision came from.
"It's a secret, I guess," Graham told NBC News on Monday evening. "I don't know where it came from."
Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, was baffled by the provision, saying the excise tax "just came about" like it was "airdropped" into the bill before the vote Saturday to proceed.
"It wasn’t part of any consideration," she said. "It’s like, surprise! It’s Saturday night. And we looked at it like, where did this come from?"
"My view of it is — it’s just entirely punitive to the wind and solar industry," Murkowski said, adding that the Republican-controlled Senate is "looking at different options" to deal with it.
The provision would tax wind and solar projects if a certain share of their components come from China. It is ambiguously worded, and it would empower the Trump administration to iron out the rule.
Sen. Cynthia Lummis, R-Wyo., said she's "OK with that" when she was asked about the details of the provision. But she, too, was in the dark about who inserted it.
"You can add me to the group that doesn't know the answer," Lummis said.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:02 am to stout
They never know everything in these huge bills, either through not having enough time or not doing their jobs properly by fully examining them.
This bill has been around the till for a while though. At least they caught it. So I guess this is a good sign?
But yeah, who put it in there? That should be easily identifiable if things are done properly.
This bill has been around the till for a while though. At least they caught it. So I guess this is a good sign?
But yeah, who put it in there? That should be easily identifiable if things are done properly.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:03 am to stout
Good solar is fricking stupid and wind is even worse
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:03 am to stout
Don’t be fooled. These crooks know exactly who is getting paid off and how much.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:03 am to stout
Single issue bills and term limits would solve A LOT of problems.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:04 am to stout
Okay - truth talk here - the filibuster (and I am NOT advocating for a change in the rule) is the reason we are at this point.
If we had 13 separate spending bills, each of them would have to be negotiated through the Senate with 60 votes. In this polarized post-Reagan period, that will never happen again. Can't happen without a major change in voting/representative philosophy. Both parties (generally) get their backs up and can deny the other side 60 votes.
And if they do manage to get something passed the President doesn't like, with 60 votes, that isn't enough to override a veto. The brinksmanship (performative theater, IMHO) has led to the "Omnibus" era and here we are. Without reconciliation, the majority party would never get anything passed, even with the President. When they are at odds, it is even worse.
That's why spending cuts never happen. You can't buy votes with spending cuts, in most cases, but you can damn sure lose them with those cuts. Dems buy votes with spending increases, Repubs buy votes with tax cuts.
If we had 13 separate spending bills, each of them would have to be negotiated through the Senate with 60 votes. In this polarized post-Reagan period, that will never happen again. Can't happen without a major change in voting/representative philosophy. Both parties (generally) get their backs up and can deny the other side 60 votes.
And if they do manage to get something passed the President doesn't like, with 60 votes, that isn't enough to override a veto. The brinksmanship (performative theater, IMHO) has led to the "Omnibus" era and here we are. Without reconciliation, the majority party would never get anything passed, even with the President. When they are at odds, it is even worse.
That's why spending cuts never happen. You can't buy votes with spending cuts, in most cases, but you can damn sure lose them with those cuts. Dems buy votes with spending increases, Repubs buy votes with tax cuts.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:04 am to stout
Did they discover this while they were reading the bill in the Senate? That's a good thing, then.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:12 am to FightinTigersDammit
This bill is beautiful - it’s giving me what I voted for.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:13 am to NashvilleTider
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it’s giving me what I voted for.
You voted to increase the deficit?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:14 am to stout
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We truly need single-issue bills and a Congress that does its job and votes on them.
Agree, though that is tough to do with spending bills.
And when they try to enforce the rules on reconciliation that provisions that are mostly policy changes are forbidden, this board loses its mind.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:14 am to GAFF
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Single issue bills
This would solve more problems that anything...
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:14 am to LuckyTiger
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This bill has been around the till for a while though. At least they caught it. So I guess this is a good sign?
Wish they would have caught the years of tax breaks for Chinese solar.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:21 am to Arkaea79
quote:Why do you think this?
solar is fricking stupid
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:28 am to NashvilleTider
I can see the multi level chess in play. Make BBB so big with major issues addressed. Then circle back to deficit cuts in smaller or single point legislation.
Elon will run interference with primary threats to Rinos. Build majority numbers during midterm elections and ROLL.
CUT, CUT, CUT.
Elon will run interference with primary threats to Rinos. Build majority numbers during midterm elections and ROLL.
CUT, CUT, CUT.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:29 am to Arkaea79
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wind is even worse
These wind projects are fools gold, without government subsidies the math doesn't work.
It would take 10-12 years to break even and by then the turbine is worn out and needs to be replaced.
Stupid Democrat Nonsense to waste money
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:31 am to dgnx6
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Wish they would have caught the years of tax breaks for Chinese solar.
and a shitload of other things. They bitch more about Trump making it work vs Biden and company just throwing any queer thing they can think of.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:31 am to MetArl15
Because its a scam.
Requires deep mining, batteries, its extremely wasteful, its an eyesore, its extremely limited, its nothing more than a grift for climate changers.
Use nuclear. Plant trees. Done.
Requires deep mining, batteries, its extremely wasteful, its an eyesore, its extremely limited, its nothing more than a grift for climate changers.
Use nuclear. Plant trees. Done.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:31 am to Good Times
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can see the multi level chess in play. Make BBB so big with major issues addressed. Then circle back to deficit cuts in smaller or single point legislation.
Elon will run interference with primary threats to Rinos. Build majority numbers during midterm elections and ROLL.
You literally just imagined this idea into existence with 0 evidence to believe that it's true of course.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:32 am to GAFF
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Single issue bills and term limits would solve A LOT of problems
But then they couldn’t become multi millionaires when they only “earn” 200k a year
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:33 am to stout
It's almost like they don't write the bills... These clowns are just actors.
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