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The disappointment of the failed tariff disaster

Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:51 am
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
9174 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:51 am
This opinion piece is well-measured. The doom and gloom predictions have not come to fruition. It is unclear how the pending trade deals will impact the US economy. The market remains volatile; up and down 300pts a day.

The left is currently invested in a failed economy to regain power. If that does not happen...and it is looking less and less likely. What do they have to offer American voters beyond sex changes and abortions?

WSJ Opinion

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Armageddon has been deferred. The doom that was supposed to follow President Trump’s tariff revolution, according to almost all economists (and by even more noneconomists—we live in an age when experts are so little trusted that everyone has become one) has so far stubbornly failed to materialize.

The report on gross domestic product for the first three months of the year was harder than usual to decipher. The 0.3% annualized contraction was accounted for by a surge in imports, which might have been related to stockpiling ahead of expected tariffs, though other parts of the report were cloudier, and overall the picture painted wasn’t one of an economy in free fall. Then we learned that in April, the month that began with “Liberation Day” and saw an equity, bond and currency market panic, the employment report showed another month of solid job growth, calmed unemployment and relatively benign wage inflation.

It is still much too soon to celebrate. Actual tariffs imposed so far—as opposed to those threatened, announced and paused—are still relatively modest. Anecdotal, real-time and small-set data from ports, transportation companies and retailers are unsettling—they speak of the hit to come from tariffs if they aren’t negotiated down or away, especially the 145% duty on imports from China.

The policy uncertainty from Mr. Trump’s desultory approach to his principal economic initiative may weigh more heavily on business activity, although we haven’t yet seen real signs that investors have given up on America. Markets have pivoted from Chicken Little to Dr. Pangloss. Perhaps on hope that deals will be struck and the overall impact will be much smaller, stocks have recovered all the ground lost since April 2 and bonds have clawed back most of it.

All this prompts a question: Have we misjudged the impact of the Trumpian disruption? Could the effect be less that of a devastating weather event and more a change in the climate? The experts are surely right that the impact of reducing our economic engagement with the rest of the world will undermine growth. But perhaps all this is better understood in the context of the wider process of deglobalization under way for a decade or more, and perhaps we are better off managing it rather than fearing it.
Posted by tigerfan 64
in the LP
Member since Sep 2016
6073 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:56 am to
quote:

The doom that was supposed to follow President Trump’s tariff revolution, according to almost all economists (and by even more noneconomists—we live in an age when experts are so little trusted that everyone has become one) has so far stubbornly failed to materialize.

The bold part shows how deeply the anti trumpers have dug in their heels to stop the restoration of America.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79603 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:56 am to

Just yesterday Jerome Powell said that the economy has been resilient and is in relatively good shape, with strong job creation and wage growth.
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
909 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:58 am to
IMO, it does not matter what else democrats are for when they are pushing the trans ideology.

That automatically invalidates everything else.

How can anyone take anything they say seriously when they say a man can be a woman ("trans women are women")?

Answer: you can not take them seriously.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1844 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:59 am to
Well, they do have Bernie and AOC to fight oligarchy in between flying around in private jets before returning to any number of their million dollar homes.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
19839 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:02 am to
quote:

The left is currently invested in a failed economy to regain power.

They would rule over a pile of rubble so long as they remain in charge.

They care about nothing beyond their immediate power and money.
Posted by Bamafig
Member since Nov 2018
5662 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:06 am to
300 points in any direction isn’t even a blip. Wake me up when it’s 3000 either way. Libs have a blame card, similar to the Race Card, which is just looking for something to blame on Trump.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55385 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:06 am to
Just another reminder that Progressives will destroy anything as long as they can maintain power.

They NEVER create. They ONLY destroy.
Posted by lungbuster06
Member since Dec 2014
728 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:07 am to
quote:

we live in an age when experts are so little trusted that everyone has become one


This is the primary crux of many of our societal problems today imo. The true SME's in many of these fields have allowed blind partisanship to affect their decision making. When that happens and decisions are no longer based on facts, but rather emotional kneejerk reactions, people lose trust. When you have societies that have lost trust in their leaders, you're destined to fall. It will take years for that type of trust to be re-established, if it's even possible.
Posted by theballguy
Bama Park
Member since Oct 2011
27710 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:09 am to
I've been doing pretty well myself over the last 6 weeks. So, I say, keep giving Trump the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
45650 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:12 am to
The TDS crowd like 4cubbies and Slow Mo Fo have never been about facts.


Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
18765 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:12 am to
I mean, we are still in the first phase here and now. There's a long way to go.

I say that in the sense that you can't say it is a failure OR success yet.

It's like saying you failed to have butt sex just as you're getting her to stop trying to buck away and the tip is just about to touch. No, you're not having butt sex right this instance... but you just might be shortly.
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
18479 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:13 am to
quote:

Just yesterday Jerome Powell said that the economy has been resilient and is in relatively good shape, with strong job creation and wage growth.

Yes, there is no reason at all not to believe every single word that comes out of his mouth. History is proof of that...
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:15 am to
quote:

The market remains volatile; up and down 300pts a day.




The average market volatility of the Dow Jones Industrial Average (Dow 30) on a percentage basis on a daily basis, measured as the average absolute daily percentage change, is approximately 1.0–1.2% for 2024–2025 and 0.6–0.8% over the past decade (2015–2025).

300 pts on a 41,000 DOW 30 is quite normal volatility.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
18765 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:17 am to
quote:

Just yesterday Jerome Powell said that the economy has been resilient and is in relatively good shape, with strong job creation and wage growth.
quote:

Yes, there is no reason at all not to believe every single word that comes out of his mouth. History is proof of that...
I thought Powell's explanation of why to hold steady made perfect sense.

Now, does the data support his logical and sensible statement? I have no idea. I'm too dumb to delve that deep. I'm assuming yes while simultaneously assuming that if he waits on such data he will be, once again, to one degree or another, late again with his moves.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9408 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:21 am to
quote:

Just another reminder that Progressives will destroy anything as long as they can maintain power. They NEVER create. They ONLY destroy.


No power, No civility….
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62426 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:21 am to
I find it entertaining he's using tariffs enacted (and mostly immeditaly suspended) in 2Q didn't have an effect on 1Q metrics to conclude that tariffs are innocuous.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
3989 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:21 am to
The doom that was supposed to follow President Trump’s tariff revolution, according to almost all economists (and by even more noneconomists—we live in an age when experts are so little trusted that everyone has become one) has so far stubbornly failed to materialize.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
17439 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:26 am to
They will revive Monkey pox, come up with Covid20 or some other bullshite "life ending" virus, revive the Russia hoax, more activist judges or another "grab em by the pussy" non story.

They are losers and that's what losers do.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10139 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:28 am to
quote:

The doom that was supposed to follow President Trump’s tariff revolution, according to almost all economists (and by even more noneconomists—we live in an age when experts are so little trusted that everyone has become one) has so far stubbornly failed to materialize.


I didn't need evidence to know that MAGA supporters are smarter than leftist "experts" and weak-willed conservatives, but here it is.
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