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88 in 44: A China Tariff Plan That Actually Works
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:43 am
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:43 am
The current tariff rates on China are soon to absolutely devastate untold numbers of small & medium businesses in the US.
Significant harm is already done, even if the tariffs are dropped tomorrow. Supply chains have zero room for weeks without shipments. Freight prices for smaller shippers will skyrocket if the tariffs are paused / significantly reduced. Larger shippers will be impacted to a lesser degree due to contracted container rates. For bulky goods, the impact of drastic freight increases can near the impact of current tariffs.
Businesses were given no time to react, and small businesses lack the resources to make the changes required. They can't just spin up a factory somewhere else overnight, and where? If the USA is the target, we need automation because we don't have the workforce. Small businesses cannot afford hundred-million dollar robotic production lines... big business will eat them alive.
If you want to incentivize businesses to move production out of China, set a course and stick with it.
Target: 88% tariffs on China. That's plenty to kill most production there.
Timeline: Do it over 44 months.
Start with 2% tomorrow and raise it 2% on the 1st of every month until the end of Trump's term.
Doing it over time gives businesses a chance to adapt and prevents sudden shocks to the supply chain that happen with all-or-none deadlines. By the time Trump is out of office, most of the production will have moved.
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These tariffs have placed an immediate and significant burden on Main Street retailers, which represent a vital share of the 4.6 million retail businesses in the U.S., not to mention the companies that supply them with goods. With the holiday season fast approaching, which represents nearly $994 billion in retail sales, the impact is growing more severe by the day. If goods are not in transit within the next few weeks, economic consequences will be dire for the 55 million American jobs supported by retail.
Significant harm is already done, even if the tariffs are dropped tomorrow. Supply chains have zero room for weeks without shipments. Freight prices for smaller shippers will skyrocket if the tariffs are paused / significantly reduced. Larger shippers will be impacted to a lesser degree due to contracted container rates. For bulky goods, the impact of drastic freight increases can near the impact of current tariffs.
Businesses were given no time to react, and small businesses lack the resources to make the changes required. They can't just spin up a factory somewhere else overnight, and where? If the USA is the target, we need automation because we don't have the workforce. Small businesses cannot afford hundred-million dollar robotic production lines... big business will eat them alive.
If you want to incentivize businesses to move production out of China, set a course and stick with it.
Target: 88% tariffs on China. That's plenty to kill most production there.
Timeline: Do it over 44 months.
Start with 2% tomorrow and raise it 2% on the 1st of every month until the end of Trump's term.
Doing it over time gives businesses a chance to adapt and prevents sudden shocks to the supply chain that happen with all-or-none deadlines. By the time Trump is out of office, most of the production will have moved.
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:47 am to crickey
They wont like this because its criticizing Donald and his plan...
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:55 am to GamecockUltimate
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They wont like this because its criticizing Donald and his plan...
Yes, by all means, let's use the plan of a message board poster, to run global trade.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:00 pm to crickey
The business people that saw DJT was surely getting elected, and listened to him say he was bringing the tariffs, had 6-8 months to order extra stock.
Some chose not to.
Some chose not to.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:11 pm to Hangit
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The business people that saw DJT was surely getting elected, and listened to him say he was bringing the tariffs, had 6-8 months to order extra stock.
Some chose not to.
And after that extra supply runs out? How long does it take to spin up a factory? Did they buy 2 years worth of inventory?
He never discussed anything higher than a 60% tariff on China, or maybe 60% + 10%. 145% changes this from "what do I need to do to offset that increase while we build elsewhere" to "I guess it's time to close up shop."
There are a million specialized retailers in this Country, all dealing with unique situations. Some products are seasonal and only manufactured at certain times of year. Some products have expiration dates and cannot be stockpiled. Some follow trends that change and you wouldn't want last year's hot items in your warehouse.
Most businesses do not typically have the financial or physical resources to import multiples of their typical volume.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:17 pm to crickey
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we don't have the workforce
This right here makes you a moron. Get all the damn leeches off welfare and they can work. Half our able bodied population does nothing
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:19 pm to Hangit
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The business people that saw DJT was surely getting elected, and listened to him say he was bringing the tariffs, had 6-8 months to order extra stock. Some chose not to.
Don’t know if it comes into play or not as I don’t know the tax payment interval, but inventory taxes could be rearing its ugly head again. That’s a tax that absolutely needs to go as it kills resilience to adversity.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:19 pm to crickey
Yea, whats happening now is unprecedented.
So are the goals of someone with 4 years to unfrick everything with 2/3 of the rest of government fighting tooth and nail every step of the way.
I wish there was a less painful way, but prefer it gets done than not done.
So are the goals of someone with 4 years to unfrick everything with 2/3 of the rest of government fighting tooth and nail every step of the way.
I wish there was a less painful way, but prefer it gets done than not done.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:19 pm to crickey
bye bye alter
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:24 pm to Sweep Da Leg
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This right here makes you a moron. Get all the damn leeches off welfare and they can work. Half our able bodied population does nothing
OK, but you've got to get them off of Welfare first.... the tariffs are happening right now.
Grok estimates 13 million unemployed able to work in USA:
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Summing those able to work, approximately 12.7 million Americans (7.1 million unemployed + 5.6 million not in the labor force but wanting a job, excluding discouraged workers for overlap) could potentially work but are not employed.
Grok also estimates ~120 million manufacturing production workers in China. If the USA represents 20% of their exports (which I believe is falsely low, due to goods being trans-shipped to other Asian counties to avoid tariffs), and we work equally efficiently and without automation... we need 20m people to fill these jobs. We don't have it.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:30 pm to crickey
So let's just let all our manufacturing go to other countries and let's just let our goods be tariffs going out of the USA.
This has to be done to bring back USA manufacturing jobs. We can't rely on the Asian world to supply the USA with pharmacy and steel. When they get upset with us they just cut the USA off.
It's about National Security
This has to be done to bring back USA manufacturing jobs. We can't rely on the Asian world to supply the USA with pharmacy and steel. When they get upset with us they just cut the USA off.
It's about National Security
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 3:58 am
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:31 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
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So let's just let all our manufacturing go to other countries and let's just let our goods be tariffs going out of the USA.
This has to be done to bring back USA manufacturing jobs. We can't really on the Asian world to supply the USA with pharmacy and steel. When they get upset with us they just cut the USA off.
It's about National Security
Did you notice the part where I suggested an 88% tariff on Chinese goods?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:36 pm to GamecockUltimate
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They wont like this because its criticizing Donald and his plan...
I think America should continue to allow EVERY country to charge us tarrifs/VATs and we should just let it go to get cheap stuff.
EFFF THAT
Other countries need us more than we need them.
China has gone from a 3rd world country to the world's #2 in a generation and a half due to this bullshite.
Let the EU partner up with China and Russia. It will NOT end well for them. They are lost anyway.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:41 pm to crickey
And why not chose to back American people instead of Chinese companies & its government? Can up not get by for a term without needing Chinese goods ?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:42 pm to crickey
China has slowly ripped off American technology and manufacturing. Your suggestion is that we slowly replace them. Not a bad take, however, I think you've missed where we have tried that approach. It hasn't worked.
China has proven themselves to be an unfaithful partner. I think it was time to stand up and say, "enough". Their economy relies fully on U.S. open markets. Why take four years to prove that point to them? Will we hurt in the short term? Sure. But how much further were we expected to go?
A lot of people complaining that this will hurt their small business. I get that. But not a lot of people talking about the tariffs China placed on our exporters and what that has done to their businesses. I'm sure our ethane producers and exporters are hoping for a better deal (which China relies on for many of their production plants).
When coupled with China's threat to stability in the South China Seas, their continued covert activities within our borders and push for lethal drugs here, it seems we need to do something rather than paying them to become a better competitor/adversary for us.
China has proven themselves to be an unfaithful partner. I think it was time to stand up and say, "enough". Their economy relies fully on U.S. open markets. Why take four years to prove that point to them? Will we hurt in the short term? Sure. But how much further were we expected to go?
A lot of people complaining that this will hurt their small business. I get that. But not a lot of people talking about the tariffs China placed on our exporters and what that has done to their businesses. I'm sure our ethane producers and exporters are hoping for a better deal (which China relies on for many of their production plants).
When coupled with China's threat to stability in the South China Seas, their continued covert activities within our borders and push for lethal drugs here, it seems we need to do something rather than paying them to become a better competitor/adversary for us.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:43 pm to ChatGPT of LA
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Yes, by all means, let's use the plan of a message board poster, to run global trade.
yea since our ivy league educated government has done such a great job of this the last 50 years
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:44 pm to crickey
quote:If your business model is buy cheap stuff from china and sell it to Americans, tough.
absolutely devastate untold numbers of small & medium businesses in the US
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:45 pm to ChatGPT of LA
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Yes, by all means, let's use the plan of a message board poster, to run global trade.
With 24 posts.
Comes on here and acts like he understands the overall situation when no one does.
Laughable.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:47 pm to Nosevens
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And why not chose to back American people instead of Chinese companies & its government? Can up not get by for a term without needing Chinese goods ?
Not without a lot of pain. You know all of the businesses that sell those goods that are left without any alternatives right now, they employ a lot of people. They occupy a lot of real estate.
It is a national security issue. We do need to re-home production of crucial goods.
But the way this is happening is going to put us in a major recession if not a depression. Until that becomes clear, and Trump reverses course. Which will leave us right back where we started.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:49 pm to crickey
I like like it is because it brings people like you out of the closet.
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