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Green Energy Is an Economic Death Sentence (Heck, Spain's Grid Operator ADMITTED It)
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:43 am
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:43 am
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You mean a massive solar flare didn’t target Spain and just Spain?
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:52 am to Jbird
Solar power should not be used by power companies. It should be for residents.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:52 am to Jbird
Talked to my brother this morning who lives in Spain and he said he was without power for 15 hours. No phones, no nothing but he said it was bearable because of the cool weather they are having.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:57 am to Jbird
I'd like to say they have good intentions by going "green" but we all know that's bullshite. They know this kind of shite is bound to happen. They'll just double down on it and say this is a reason for them to pass more regulation on power consumption.
Just another oppressive form of tax on the population. When will the people ever learn?
Just another oppressive form of tax on the population. When will the people ever learn?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:01 pm to Jbird
Renewables should just be one portion of the energy mix. Trying to go 100% renewable isn't possible for most areas. Strategically placed BESS installations can add value because they can prevent the need for costly peaker plants. Relying only on renewables is a fool's errand though.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:04 pm to Jbird
Governments should not be picking winners and losers.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:08 pm to Ricardo
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I'd like to say they have good intentions by going "green" but we all know that's bullshite. They know this kind of shite is bound to happen.
I’d be careful about spiking on renewables because of this. I’m guessing this was due to transmission failure, which could be generation-agnostic. It could have been something like a lightning strike on a line and a failure of arrestors. Or maybe it was some inherent flaw in solar; it just seems unlikely.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:14 pm to theCrusher
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Governments should not be picking winners and losers.
Chinese are the winners here....they make and sell junk solor and batteries. with less demand for coal and NG they can buy it up cheaper. and cheaper energy is what spurs an economy......
I'm willing to bet the "follow the money" here is China has but funding the "green energy" push on the west......
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:24 pm to tjv305
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Solar power should not be used by power companies. It should be for residents.
I absolutely love solar in my travel trailer; however, I still carry a gas inverter generator just in case. While the solar is great, I don't want to become overly reliant on it.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:29 pm to tjv305
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Solar power should not be used by power companies. It should be for residents.
The only positive for utility scale solar is it drives down the price for residential.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:34 pm to Jbird
It is truly unfortunate that the approach was never one of including all options for energy with a focus on R & D and aligning reality to the source and task.
Solar is great for lighting but shitty for real power - some day maybe. Not environmental friendly either -total lie.
Wind is a complete lie and incredibly hazardous to the environment - young leftists are dumb and easily cowed. They also do not believe the dessert burial grounds for all the solar and wind material because it hurts heir feelings.
Clean coal is good - has environmental issues but so do volcanos.
Oil and gas, same as coal but the power outage is far superior than any other green energy.
Hydro is good - people like fish over humans though and they have to be managed carefully. They are good in the right situation.
Nuclear - we were totally lied to about this with the lowest common denominator being spotlighted as the norm. Waste is an issue but not insurmountable and has improved by leaps and bounds since the intro of smaller nukes. The power outage is massive.
Aside from windmills, all of these should be part of the plan, but leftist are outright liars and charlatans.
Solar is great for lighting but shitty for real power - some day maybe. Not environmental friendly either -total lie.
Wind is a complete lie and incredibly hazardous to the environment - young leftists are dumb and easily cowed. They also do not believe the dessert burial grounds for all the solar and wind material because it hurts heir feelings.
Clean coal is good - has environmental issues but so do volcanos.
Oil and gas, same as coal but the power outage is far superior than any other green energy.
Hydro is good - people like fish over humans though and they have to be managed carefully. They are good in the right situation.
Nuclear - we were totally lied to about this with the lowest common denominator being spotlighted as the norm. Waste is an issue but not insurmountable and has improved by leaps and bounds since the intro of smaller nukes. The power outage is massive.
Aside from windmills, all of these should be part of the plan, but leftist are outright liars and charlatans.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:38 pm to Jbird
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Green Energy Is an Economic Death Sentence
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:45 pm to theballguy
Heavy industry in Europe ,, steel, perochemicals, refineries etc ,,, have had lots of permanent shutdowns. The large motors/generators in those industries contained a lot of the desirable inertia for the grid.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:58 pm to Trevaylin
This explains specifically what happened there. And it's from an article from 2019. This was all avoidable.
"In an electric system, the energy contained in generators and motors at power stations and industrial facilities provides inertia as they rotate at the same frequency as the electricity grid. This effectively acts as a buffer against rapid change. If demand for power spikes, the frequency of the grid tends to decrease. Having a lot of rotating mass on the grid acts like a shock absorber and slows the rate of change.
Solar, on the other hand, is connected to the grid without rotating mass. Even massive wind turbines fail to provide the necessary stability as they are not directly connected to the grid. Instead, a frequency converter between the wind turbine and electricity grid prevents the kinetic energy of the wind turbine’s rotating mass from providing inertia during periods of frequency change.
“When inertia decreases, sudden changes in frequency caused by a change in electricity consumption or production are faster and larger,” said Minna Laasonen, senior advisor at Fingrid, the transmission operator in Finland. “This means that it is more difficult to keep the frequency within its normal range of variation.”
What’s the big deal? A surge of renewables onto a grid without sufficient rotating mass could cause serious problems: power being cut in certain areas in an effort to bring demand back in line with supply; and large power plants getting disconnected from the grid to prevent them becoming overloaded."
Grid Inertia and why it matters
"In an electric system, the energy contained in generators and motors at power stations and industrial facilities provides inertia as they rotate at the same frequency as the electricity grid. This effectively acts as a buffer against rapid change. If demand for power spikes, the frequency of the grid tends to decrease. Having a lot of rotating mass on the grid acts like a shock absorber and slows the rate of change.
Solar, on the other hand, is connected to the grid without rotating mass. Even massive wind turbines fail to provide the necessary stability as they are not directly connected to the grid. Instead, a frequency converter between the wind turbine and electricity grid prevents the kinetic energy of the wind turbine’s rotating mass from providing inertia during periods of frequency change.
“When inertia decreases, sudden changes in frequency caused by a change in electricity consumption or production are faster and larger,” said Minna Laasonen, senior advisor at Fingrid, the transmission operator in Finland. “This means that it is more difficult to keep the frequency within its normal range of variation.”
What’s the big deal? A surge of renewables onto a grid without sufficient rotating mass could cause serious problems: power being cut in certain areas in an effort to bring demand back in line with supply; and large power plants getting disconnected from the grid to prevent them becoming overloaded."
Grid Inertia and why it matters
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:06 pm to Powerman
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Renewables should just be one portion of the energy mix.
The answer today is simply nuclear until we figure out fusion. Green energy especially solar continues to get cheaper but nuclear is far too stable to ignore further
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:20 pm to tjv305
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Solar power should not be used by power companies. It should be for residents.
Or people living off-grid...
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:23 pm to Jbird
Degrowth economics means that we die starving in the cold and the dark.
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