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Clear the Record on Woodward "Saving" Football

Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:27 am
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:27 am
Let's set the record straight on the narrative that Scott "saved football" by firing Wade. That narrative is simply not accurate. By the time Wade was fired, the horse was out of the barn. What do I mean by that?

Wade was fired AFTER the NOA was issued. At that point, it is completely out of the hands of the NCAA. The NCAA and its enforcement staff is part of the Complex Case Unit ( CCU Makeup). Once those allegations are made, however, the case is then in the hands of the IRP which is completely independent of the NCAA and is required to follow the relevant NCAA Infractions Bylaws. In fact, in the IARP's findings and press release, it listed the "self-imposed" actions taken by the university that were considered in relation to the sanctions, and not once was the termination of Wade mentioned ( IARP Press Release). Meaning, firing Wade was irrelevant to the severity of the sanctions issued. Now, if this were handled internally by the Committee on Infractions, there is no doubt, they would have held this over LSU's head. But it wasn't, it was handled by an independent body that never operated in that manner.

A simple reading of the NOA shows that NCAA tried to throw everything including the kitchen sink at Wade. They knew the vast majority would never be proven before the IRP. Most of the allegations were based on sources that were simply never going to cooperate and could not be forced to cooperate. The NCAA did everything in its power to try this case publicly, including sending numerous letters to LSU regarding the investigation (prior to the NOA). In those letters, they threw out multiple allegations against Wade. Amazingly, reporters new to submit public record requests to LSU on the same day these letter went out (almost like it was a coordinated PR event). These allegations were made to paint Wade in as bad a light as possible - while the NCAA knew they could not prove these things. This article referencing the letter which claims that there were at least 11 student athletes receiving impressible benefits. Despite putting it in the letter, it never made the NOA. ( The Advocate Article).

The NCAA tried this case in the media because it knew the IARP would never levy sanctions on these unprovable allegations.

Woody knew this and wanted it to happen so he could fire Wade with cause. He never supported him while he was here and was arrogant enough to think he could replace him. He failed. He literally had the best young coach in the country fall in his lap and he screwed it up.

The arrogance was compounded when he hired a guy with no reputation for building a program and then sent the message out that this is the guy to rebuild the program. Now that we three years and this is clearly not the guy, he refuses to admit that he was wrong.

Basketball was not sacrificed for football, it was sacrificed for arrogance. And we just keep doubling down.
Posted by lsudave1
Baton Metairie
Member since Jan 2005
11343 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:30 am to
Scott Woodward certainly never saves any food for the rest of us
Posted by tigahland
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2016
3516 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:38 am to
Posted by Kool Kaliper
Mansfield, TX
Member since Nov 2018
2884 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:40 am to
Please follow Wade to NCState, you guys so annoying.
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
2213 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:43 am to
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
32127 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:44 am to
You could have just posted Woodward needs to be fired and you would have gotten your upvote
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9041 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:44 am to
It is interesting that the Woodward supporters like to make homophobic references and call names. I’ve yet to see one of them actually rebut the factual information provided. Would be nice if somebody could actually engage in an intelligent conversation on this. Guess there simply not enough information to support their position.
Posted by rutiger
purgatory
Member since Jun 2007
21727 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:46 am to
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ellessuuuu


Bruh, the mouthbreathers dont care about facts.
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
26316 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:46 am to
No, it wasn't. The NCAA held football allegations over our head for a long time. LSU asked repeatedly to move on but they wouldn't. The NCAA ultimately are the ones that got Will Wade fired. They and the basketball blue bloods wanted Wade gone from LSU.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
15709 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:48 am to
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not once was the termination of Wade mentioned


He’s listed multiple times as “former head coach”. The punishment was determined after the fact.

Impossible to say what the punishment would have been if he was the “current head coach”, but safe to say it would have been more
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9041 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:48 am to
NCAA wasn’t ultimately the body that handed down the punishment here.

Agreed, the NCAA gave Woody enough in the NOA that he could fire Wade. But in the IARP’s eyes, they ones that mattered for sanctions, this did not matter.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
8737 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:49 am to
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Wade was fired AFTER the NOA was issued. At that point, it is completely out of the hands of the NCAA. The NCAA and its enforcement staff is part of the Complex Case Unit ( CCU Makeup). Once those allegations are made, however, the case is then in the hands of the IRP which is completely independent of the NCAA and is required to follow the relevant NCAA Infractions Bylaws. In fact, in the IARP's findings and press release, it listed the "self-imposed" actions taken by the university that were considered in relation to the sanctions, and not once was the termination of Wade mentioned ( IARP Press Release). Meaning, firing Wade was irrelevant to the severity of the sanctions issued. Now, if this were handled internally by the Committee on Infractions, there is no doubt, they would have held this over LSU's head. But it wasn't, it was handled by an independent body that never operated in that manner.
Absolutely hilarious if you believe any of that.

Also, it's not a court of law. The burden of proof is not "beyond a reasonable doubt." It's what the NCAA wants it to be.
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Woody knew this and wanted it to happen so he could fire Wade with cause. He never supported him while he was here and was arrogant enough to think he could replace him. He failed. He literally had the best young coach in the country fall in his lap and he screwed it up.
This is retarded. He supported him for 3 years and then it was determined that Wade was lying to him the whole time.
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Basketball was not sacrificed for football, it was sacrificed for arrogance. And we just keep doubling down.

I think the most arrogant thing in these posts is posters (who have no idea what they're talking about) discussing the ins and outs of AD operations and an NCAA investigation they were not privy to.

It's mind blowing. You do not know more than the LSU Athletic Department. You know significantly less.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
39963 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:50 am to
frick will wade
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9041 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:51 am to
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Also, it's not a court of law. The burden of proof is not "beyond a reasonable doubt." It's what the NCAA wants it to be.


You are correct when the case is determined by the committee on infractions. This case was not it was handled by an outside independent panel. The independent panel was in fact bound by the NCAA’s bylaws on permissible evidence. No kidding it’s not a court of law, but the NCAA does have bylaws dictating what information could be used. When investigations and Sanctions were handled internally, those were often ignored. These were not done internally.


Your response shows a fundamental lack of knowledge as to how this particular case through the IARP was handled.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
39963 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:52 am to
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It is interesting that the Woodward supporters like to make homophobic references and call names. I’ve yet to see one of them actually rebut the factual information provided. Would be nice if somebody could actually engage in an intelligent conversation on this. Guess there simply not enough information to support their position.


Shut up, phaggot.

Go suck Wade's cock on the MSB.
Posted by tygerphan
Georgia
Member since Oct 2009
3956 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:52 am to
Got dam that's a lot of thought and effort over something that means jack shite at this point.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
8737 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:57 am to
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Your response shows a fundamental lack of knowledge as to how this particular case through the IARP was handled.



It's a preponderance of evidence standard. That's it. You don't think the texts and bank statements constitute a preponderance of evidence? Once that was revealed, it was over.

I backed Wade through his entire tenure. Supported the program and supported Wade's recruiting efforts and coaching strategies. I wanted him to cheat. I wanted him to buy players. I supported it, and would support McMahon if he found ways to provide impermissible benefits to athletes in order for LSU to have a leg up in recruiting. You'll never hear me say otherwise.

He fricked up at VCU and at LSU. There was simply no way around it. In this particular case, I am also more privy to information than most on this board. He was not truthful with Woodward. That played a huge role in this. If he had come forward from the jump with this information, he's likely still the head coach.

Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9041 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:58 am to
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It's a preponderance of evidence standard. That's it. You don't think the texts and bank statements constitute a preponderance of evidence? Once that was revealed, it was over


How did that save football? He got a 10-game suspension.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78103 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:03 pm to
The IARP took into consideration our remedial measures. Firing Wade is one of them.

When considering our penalties the listed the self imposed penalties. They can’t fire out employee, and thus that cannot be listed as a self imposes penalty.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:03 pm to
Thank you for this post.

Matt Mascona was spreading disinformation this morning on his podcast promoting the Will Wade had to be the sacrificial lamb for LSU football narrative. Disgusting, and I like Matt.

Bottom line is Woody wanted to fire Wade because Wade was not Woody’s guy. Fat Scott was looking for excuses.


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