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Texas state lawmakers are trying to cap athletic scholarships for international students…

Posted on 2/21/25 at 6:47 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 6:47 pm


Sports most affected will be non revenue sports like tennis, track, swimming, and soccer
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 6:52 pm to
People on both sides of this issue have lost their fricking mind
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:46 pm to
Fine with me. Why should your tax dollars go toward subsidizing the education and olympic sport development of people from other countries?
Posted by SoDakHawk
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:48 pm to
See my posts in the hockey threads about NCAA hockey schools giving scholarships to Canadian players. Our tax dollars go to support these colleges, they should be training American born hockey players.
Posted by tigerbait2010
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:47 pm to
Damn Texas A&M and Texas track are cooked
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:56 pm to
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Our tax dollars go to support these colleges


The athletic departments are typically funded by student fees and whatever revenue they bring so a school like Texas is not using “your tax dollars” for a track scholarship.
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 8:58 pm
Posted by Jack Ruby
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:09 pm to
I guess Texas is finally tired training the rest of the world's Olympic teams for free.
Posted by Pedro
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:13 pm to
I’m okay with this. I loved (most of) the international teammates I had in college, don’t get me wrong, but we should be more focused on developing our own talent than bringing in internationals to win at all costs. Look at some universities at the d1 level of xc. Almost entirely Kenyan, a good chunk of them are 25+. If this was a professional league then yea sure go for it. American universities should prioritize taking care of American students first though.
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 9:15 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:36 pm to
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. Look at some universities at the d1 level of xc. Almost entirely Kenyan, a good chunk of them are 25+.


Maybe we should limit international students to the power schools that compete for national championships… if you’re bringing them in to be mediocre at the mid major level it’s a total WTF?
Posted by Pedro
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:53 pm to
Again… American universities should be primarily for the development of Americans. I’m not saying cut all internationals all together but the priority shouldn’t be bringing in internationals to win at all costs. Alabama is one of the worst “offenders”(I know they’re operating completely within the rules and it hast resulted in a natty so whatever) of this in the cross country/track world.

In the Olympic sports a lot of title winners aren’t your “usual suspect” power schools. NAU has won a ton of xc championships recently. NC state on the women’s side. Arizona state and cal have won the last 3 swimming titles. Denver, Quinnipec, and Umass have won the last 4 hockey titles. Writing the rule as you have it would only further increase the gulf between the haves and have nots which is dumb, imo. Everyone in d1 should have a chance to win a title (does that happen realistically? No. But still)

The bill should be you can bring in internationals but no more than x% of your scholarship money can go to internationals (I’d like to see it capped at maybe 2 fulls worth per sport but whatever makes the numbers makes sense I’m on board with).
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 11:55 pm
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 3:07 am to
Don't ignore it..... It's like a silver Penney.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 7:01 am to
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Fine with me. Why should your tax dollars go toward subsidizing the education and olympic sport development of people from other countries?
Very very few of these are Olympic caliber athletes. The ones that are will still get scholarships.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
12986 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 7:32 am to
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The athletic departments are typically funded by student fees and whatever revenue they bring so a school like Texas is not using “your tax dollars” for a track scholarship.


Even if an athletic department doesn’t directly use tax dollars to pay for something, it exists in a tax-free and taxpayer subsidized system.

Tax dollars may not directly go to a track scholarship, but they support the ecosystem that allows that track scholarship to exist in the first place. Pretending the two are separate is like saying USAID didn’t fund transgender dance festivals because actually it just funded an NGO that subsequently funded transgender dance festivals.

Any 501(c)(3) should be viewed as an indirect use of taxpayer dollars, so its charitable exemption should be scrutinized as such. Any reduction in government revenue due to nonprofit status has to be picked up by taxpayers either in the form of higher taxes or deficit-induced inflation.
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 7:48 am to
At least non-revenue athletes generally take their studies seriously and are net positives to society, including international athletes who appreciate the opportunities they've been given. It's the revenue sports that attract the entitled frickups.

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 7:59 am to
I always found it interesting 75% of the All Americans when I played tennis were in fact not American

I’m mixed on this. If you want the scholarship be better

And the truth is anyone with any real potential to be pro that is American is already easily getting a scholarship in these sports. The only person this will help is the good not great American players
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 8:01 am
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 8:45 am to
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The bill should be you can bring in internationals but no more than x% of your scholarship money can go to internationals


Why do you think the government should be involved in this at all?
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:08 am to
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Sports most affected will be non revenue sports like tennis, track, swimming, and soccer


If Texas was pulling 6’4 OTs from Australia or WR who could run a 4.2 from Jamaica or Kenya the would be increasing money to international students.
Posted by Pedro
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:48 am to
The governments role is to help American people. Public universities receive federal money. Outside of the private universities, universities are public entities, therefore should first and foremost be for the benefit of the communities/country they serve.

Do I think the government should be involved in private businesses? No. Do I think this should be a number one priority thing the US government should weigh in on? No. Do I think this is something completely within the realms of governmental oversight? Absolutely. I have no issues with state governments weighing in on this. If you don’t want the government controlling you don’t take their money.
Posted by witty alias
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:52 am to
Mostly, it’s just some old fashioned racism.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:54 am to
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The governments role is to help American people. Public universities receive federal money. Outside of the private universities, universities are public entities, therefore should first and foremost be for the benefit of the communities/country they serve.


These athletes immigrate legally and often times become productive American citizens/residents. I’m totally on board with setting a culture of giving American athletes opportunities, but the government doesn’t need to be involved. If the athletes are worthy of a spot, qualify academically, and do what they’re supposed to do to move to the US, good for them.
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