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For those of you happy about IRS firing 6,000 people... please understand how this works.

Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:45 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:45 am
95% of the issues with the IRS - and frustration from dealing with them - come from computers.

Every filed tax return is eventually checked - usually many months after filing - by a computer system. Generally this system looks for two types of things, and dependent on this, the system takes different steps.

1) The system flags something as not "looking right". Perhaps a deduction looks too large relative to income, or doesn't seem right for the type of income you have. This will get sent to a human, who will then decide whether to audit you or not. Cutting workers will slow down this but I would argue that may be taxpayer friendly... before the audit starts. If the audit happens, then having an overworked auditor is not good for you... as they are more likely to reject your explanations so they can push the case down the line. This is a very small percentage of issues.

2) The vast majority of problems come from what we call "matching" notices. The IRS, based on third party information, thinks you may have overreported deductions or more likely underreported income. These are flagged by the computer, and these notices often go out WITHOUT a human ever looking at them. Anyone that has ever received a notice like this knows the computer assumes you are wrong, and until a human tells the computer you are not wrong, the computer will comtinue to more aggressively tell you that you are wrong... and will eventually take steps to take refunds and levy bank accounts. Again, in many cases, this is done with little or no human interaction.

So let's say you get one of these notices. You say, this is BS, and respond with proof the notice is wrong. Great. You mail it in. Because of IRS layoffs, that notice sits in a pile, waiting to be opened and read, perhaps for months. But no one tells the computer you responded, so the computer thinks by ignoring it, you are agreeing with it, and the comptuer starts to take more aggressive steps to collect.

This was a MASSIVE problem during COVID, until finally the IRS unplugged the computer for a while to give the humans time to catch up. It took them a very long time to catch up.

If Musk wants to really help here, when he fires the 6,000 people, he needs to unplug the computer for a while.
Posted by RFK
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Member since May 2012
2248 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:46 am to
Biden hired 80,000 additional agents.

So we'll still have 74,000 more than pre-COVID...
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
15076 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:46 am to
Good. Let's abolish the IRS. I think that would save taxpayers some time
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55690 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:46 am to
Biden hired 87,000 IRS workers a year ago. You really upset over 6k getting fired?
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
4281 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:47 am to
Was this written at your government laptop?
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
3006 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:47 am to
How about making it a simple process? Flat tax, National Sales Tax, etc?

Yeah yeah I know, lobbyists.
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38834 posts
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Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
40896 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:47 am to
quote:

95% of the issues with the IRS - and frustration from dealing with them - come from computers.


Maybe we need better computers.
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
4281 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:48 am to
quote:

Biden hired 87,000 IRS workers a year ago. You really upset over 6k getting fired?


Johnson funded them for 2 and a half years and 3 CR's.
Posted by rickyb223
In your walls
Member since Jan 2025
430 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:48 am to
If these computers are so great then how come my 1099-DIV was somehow magically deleted from my actual return?

Now I gotta file an amended return
Posted by Wee Ice Mon
Member since May 2014
1673 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:50 am to
This is hilarious. I love a good parody.


Wait….This is a parody, right?
Posted by Meauxjeaux
102836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
43794 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:51 am to
quote:

95% of the issues with the IRS - and frustration from dealing with them - come from computers.

Maybe we need better computers


It’s almost as if we should have somebody who’s tech genius and a crack team of coding savants looking at this?
Posted by Meauxjeaux
102836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
43794 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:54 am to
By the way, I do appreciate the detailed look under the hood and the absolute crap dumpster fire that it is.
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
Nocatee, FL.
Member since Jan 2008
57374 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:54 am to
No the IRS hired thousands more employees under Biden to go specifically after hard working Americans and small businesses. Also don't think they didn't know if you were a Democrat or Republican too. I am sure the memo went around just like at FEMA about you being a Trump supporter/conservative. Look extra hard at those in the morning meetings. Wink wink. Good Riddence.
Posted by Ssubba
Member since Oct 2014
7166 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:54 am to
I'd rather they fire everyone so no one will be audited.
Posted by Larry Gooseman
Houston
Member since Mar 2014
2737 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:54 am to
I realize Trump’s desire to end IRS is an existential threat to a lot of tax-focused CPAs and firms.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
27128 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:55 am to
Shut up and learn to code
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
15076 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:58 am to
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I realize Trump’s desire to end IRS is an existential threat to a lot of tax-focused CPAs and firms.


Yes. But tax-focused accounting is a profession that relies on government being a problem. If making the government more efficient and fair causes you to lose your job, then maybe your job shouldn't exist. They'll be fine... there's lots of other accounting jobs not solely related to our tax system.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
40896 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:58 am to
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It’s almost as if we should have somebody who’s tech genius and a crack team of coding savants looking at this?


I hope you aren't thinking about someone that isn't elected.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39313 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:59 am to
quote:

Biden hired 80,000 additional agents.

So we'll still have 74,000 more than pre-COVID...


False. Biden provided FUNDING for that many.... only a small faction of net increase of jobs happeend.

Reality is, hardly anyone wants to work for the IRS. I'm sure you can imagine why.
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