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LA School Voucher Program Isn't Working

Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:05 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:05 am
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Let's start with an assumption. If a parent is going to seek out a voucher to send their kid to a non-public school, they probably at least have some desire to see their kid be successful. If they didn't give a crap about their kid, it would certainly be easier to just let the kid go to the nearby public school. Putting the kid in private school definetly requires an investment of effort from the parent.

Having said that...

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On average, voucher students at private schools fare worse on state tests than their public-school peers, according to scores examined by The Times-Picayune and The Advocate. In 2023, just 14% of voucher students in grades 3-8 met state achievement targets, compared with 23% of low-income students at public schools.


This is after a decade of this program.

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The private schools that get about $6,800 per voucher student face scant oversight. Unlike public schools, most don’t receive state ratings because they enroll too few voucher students. But 30 private schools were graded last year, and nearly 80% earned Ds or Fs.


The schools that are taking the most voucher kids...are the schools that are doing the worst (with a few exceptions). Let that sink in.

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While the scholarship program will replace vouchers, many of the same private schools already have signed up — including over 20 with D or F ratings.


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But proponents insist the scholarship program, which includes fewer regulations, will attract stronger schools and achieve better results than vouchers.

“I think what we learned is that a private-school choice program is only as good as the quality of the private schools that are enticed to participate,” said Patrick Wolf, an education policy professor at the University of Arkansas who studied Louisiana’s vouchers.

In that program, he added, the “quality level appears to have been quite low.”


This is the absoutely critical part. There are many good private schools out there... hardly any of them took vouchers. Will they take this state money? The good private schools, generally, have waiting lists, especially elementary schools. I would also imagine the parents that are paying full price are going to have some pushback against their good schools taking these kids.

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“It was a very heavily regulated program and it tended to attract schools that were more desperate for the money,” said Michael McShane, director of national research at EdChoice, a pro-voucher group.


THis is a pro-voucher person saying it was just a money grab!!

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Last school year, nearly 6,000 students received vouchers, costing taxpayers $45 million. More than 75% of those students attended private schools where fewer than 1 in 4 voucher students achieved “mastery” on the state tests, meaning they’re ready for the next grade level, according to an analysis of state data by The Times-Picayune and The Advocate. At least 26% went to schools where fewer than 1 in 10 voucher students achieved mastery.


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Lakeside Christian Academy in Slidell posted some of the worst results last year: Fewer than 5% of its voucher students achieved mastery. The school, which enrolled 79 voucher students, earned Fs three years in a row.

Principal Buffie Singletary said voucher students typically arrive at the school far behind, with limited reading skills, making it difficult to catch them up.


I get they may need to catch up... but if they stayed in public school, they would need to catch up as well. And public schools are STILL doing better than your crappy Christian Academy.

I'm good with parental choice... with parental money. When you are using my tax dollars... I want the best results. This ain't it.

If we can get the better schools to participate... great! But the terrible schools - the private schools that are WORSE than the public schools - need to not get any money.
Posted by Geauxtac260
Member since Aug 2016
213 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:21 am to
As I understand it, and may be wrong, is that only the voucher kids at the private schools are required to take the state tests. Not the rest of the non-voucher kids. So the teachers at these private schools are not focusing on LEAP prep.

Anyone who has kids in the public system knows that the teachers of grades that are taking LEAP are teaching to the test. It’s nearly their singular focus…get better LEAP scores.

I’m sure that has something to do with the “underperforming” private schools in the article. I’m sure there’s many other factors as well.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
33830 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:24 am to
Then parents will/should stop sending their kids to those private schools. That's the whole point of a voucher or school choice program. To allow parents to decide which school is best for their kids...if a private or charter school sucks, it will stop getting voucher students and they will suffer because of it. Competition is a good thing. That means the program works.
Posted by Dingeaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
5409 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:27 am to
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If we can get the better schools to participate... great! But the terrible schools - the private schools that are WORSE than the public schools - need to not get any money.


That's your problem. Any reputable private school will probably not join. They either don't need the additional money or they can't risk taking voucher kids at the expense of losing their paying students. I think the voucher program has given some borderline private schools the ability to keep their doors open when they actually should be closed.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39109 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:29 am to
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Then parents will/should stop sending their kids to those private schools. That's the whole point of a voucher or school choice program. To allow parents to decide which school is best for their kids...if a private or charter school sucks, it will stop getting voucher students and they will suffer because of it. Competition is a good thing. That means the program works.


But you don't have real competition. You can choose the public school, or you can choose from a few (not many) crappy private schools.

No one wants to move their kids from one school to another except for good reason. Does it make sesne to go to through the hassle to move kids from one crappy private to another crappy private?

Also, in many area, there aren't many other options.

Competiton is a good thing... if you have a range of options to choose from. We don't have that now.
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
9838 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:29 am to
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f a private or charter school sucks, it will stop getting voucher students


Schools not teaching to a Standardized test don't necessarily suck..
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39109 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:30 am to
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I think the voucher program has given some borderline private schools the ability to keep their doors open when they actually should be closed.


100 percent.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39109 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:31 am to
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Schools not teaching to a Standardized test don't necessarily suck..


Gettng mastery on LEAP is not hard to do. It simply means you are ready to go on to the next grade.
Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
5337 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:31 am to
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The good private schools, generally, have waiting lists, especially elementary schools. I would also imagine the parents that are paying full price are going to have some pushback against their good schools taking these kids.

There’s currently limits on who gets the vouchers. Landry’s new voucher program will eventually be open to everyone. I don’t see parents nor schools turning that money down.
Posted by StanSmith
Member since May 2018
1023 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:33 am to
Who could be surprised with the lack of results.
You guarantee government money to take on students who are already behind. All of the good private schools will still enforce the standards that built their reputations. A group of bottom feeding schools will spring up to take advantage of the steady money they can get from the government. This is no different than the rise of mediocre to sub par charter schools that exist because of the same business model. There is a class of entrepreneur that sees all of the tax dollars being thrown around by the federal and state governments and they build businesses that soley exist to extract the largess provided by your tax dollars.
Their is literally billions of dollars being distributed by the feds every year for any conceivable program proposed by cities, counties, states, ngo and non profits. Just this morning I have read that Harris County TX officials are perturbed that their is a freeze on 50 million dollars of funds for solar power installations. This was money that demented Joe was giving away through his inflation reduction act grift.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39109 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:35 am to
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There’s currently limits on who gets the vouchers. Landry’s new voucher program will eventually be open to everyone. I don’t see parents nor schools turning that money down.


You think Newman parents need the money and/or want to accept kids who can't normally afford Newman without state support?

What about McGeehe?

What about Dominican? Brother Martin?

Jesuit probably will because they have a tradiiton of financial aid anyways.

Rummer and Chapelle might.
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
31417 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:35 am to
TLDR?
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
58354 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:36 am to
“Mr Gambini. That’s a very lucid and well thought out-out arguement….OVERULED!”
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39109 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:40 am to
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“Mr Gambini. That’s a very lucid and well thought out-out arguement….OVERULED!”


Damn you, now every time Landry talks... I'm going to think of the judge...
Posted by GreenRockTiger
vortex to the whirlpool of despair
Member since Jun 2020
52962 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:43 am to
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What about Dominican?
they’ve always been very generous with financial aid as well

Can the vouchers be used for high school?
Posted by Old Man and a Porch
Member since Dec 2023
482 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:49 am to
These “private” schools that are not doing well are not your traditional private school. This voucher, school choice program will not really make a difference. If you think Episcopal is going to take questionable voucher students you are kidding yourself.
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
14025 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:59 am to
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LA School


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Isn't Working


Dont need to put the voucher thing in there.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
9957 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:06 am to
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with parental money. When you are using my tax dollars.


Where do you think the tax dollars came from? $100k "donated" to the local ISD since 2015.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
34593 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:16 am to
Where does this voucher money come from?

The taxpayers who already pay for everything else including public school
Systems but also now other peoples children to go to private schools too?

That’s crazy to me.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
23804 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:16 am to
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The schools that are taking the most voucher kids...are the schools that are doing the worst (with a few exceptions)


Hit the nail on the head.

The best private schools don't have issues with dwindling enrollment and often have wait lists. They don't need to accept voucher students at the risk of upsetting the parents who pay full tuition.

So you're left with the private schools that were already struggling with declining enrollment being the schools that were most willing to accept vouchers.
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