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How do you benchmark your Retirement performance?

Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:51 am
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
40418 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:51 am
I did 10% return last year so it feels like I under performed. I am 20% in long term bind that was marked to marked but in theory I amortized interest.

Trying to figure out how I get satisfied or not with my performance

Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
7857 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:21 am to
I thought I was doing well and then realized the S&P was up 25% for the year and I underperformed that
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13509 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:21 am to
I use the S&P 500 and include dividends

Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
40418 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

thought I was doing well and then realized the S&P was up 25% for the year and I underperformed that


Yeah supposedly I am "diversified" with dividend, growth, small cap, and international exposure. Sounds like I should be all in S&p 500 though.


My bonds are 20y so with rates changed in ability to sell that bond I gained nothing but will hold to maturity so should attribute roughly 5%

I am going to get out excel figure out what I am such a laggard on a&p 500
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
56748 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:14 pm to
I’m at the age where there’s no such thing as retirement


I’m hoping I can invent something or get lucky somehow but I imagine I’ll keep working til I die
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
787 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:16 pm to
When you diversify you are attempting to mitigate risk.

Mitigation of risk has a strong correlation to returns. Less risk, less return. More risk, greater returns.

Make sure you can stomach changes in markets. A lot of people love the roller coaster going up and then lose their lunch on the way down and sell at the worst possible time.
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1551 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:52 pm to
I have a spreadsheet where I track my overall portfolio performance across all my investment accounts (401k, ira, hsa, taxable). I use the XIRR function which takes into account timing of contributions/withdrawals.

I just updated the spreadsheet for 2024 and my portfolio had a return of 14.1% which I'm happy with. My portfolio isn't 100% S&P 500 so I don't expect to be similar to that.

What is your stock/bond allocation? For example, lets you were 70% stock and 30% bond. 70/30 using VTI and BND last year had a return of 17%. So that allocation performance could be a benchmark to compare against.

This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 2:00 pm
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
18440 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:56 pm to
I’m beginning the retirement phase.

I’m more risk averse than many on here who short Bitcoin futures in different currencies.
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11812 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 2:22 pm to
I plug all of my investments into a spreadsheet and track them throughout each month. That’s contributions, matching, and growth. For 2024, my accounts grew 30%.

I am 99.5% VTSAX/VTI.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 2:23 pm
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
81667 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 2:29 pm to
Benchmark to SP500. If you aren’t beating that then move everything into it
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 2:30 pm
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1551 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 2:31 pm to
quote:


I’m beginning the retirement phase.

I’m more risk averse than many on here who short Bitcoin futures in different currencies.


Congrats. Yeah I'm planning to retire early in the next 6-8 years. I just need to average 6% over that time and I'll be good. Anything above that just means I have more or can retire even earlier.

I don't need the risk of 100% stocks to succeed. I still remember the crash of 2008 that delayed retirement of many people for years. I'm not gonna make that mistake.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 2:34 pm
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
10824 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 2:48 pm to
quote:

Sounds like I should be all in S&p 500 though.


This actually gives you a lot of international exposure.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
56748 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 3:08 pm to
I feel like there are posters that brag on here about retirement then go to the ot and complain about the cost of travel ball
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10398 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

Yeah supposedly I am "diversified" with dividend, growth, small cap, and international exposure. Sounds like I should be all in S&p 500 though.


My bonds are 20y so with rates changed in ability to sell that bond I gained nothing but will hold to maturity so should attribute roughly 5%

I am going to get out excel figure out what I am such a laggard on a&p 500


I early retired 14 years ago, my main focus annual is how much money my wife and I can spend in the upcoming year without taking high risk. Portfolio was/is 60 - 65% equity and the rest is different forms of fixed income from short term to long term including a lot of 5 - 30 year TIPS and just under $150k in I-bonds etc. We have had very strong returns the past 2 years as I would imagine most have with similar equity exposure. Doubt I take SSI until 67 or later which will be quite awhile and my wife and I will be paying absurdly cheap joint health insurance premiums (< $8 per month) with tiny co-pays and $1,600 OOP max in 2025 on a Gold select plan. Waiting to see how much dim bulb Trump is going to frick things up for the middle to quasi-upper class Americans.
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
18014 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:42 pm to
I’m up 200% in 9 years since managing on my own after rolling over some 401ks into IRA
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 9:48 pm
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
23142 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 7:06 pm to
quote:

I did 10% return last year so it feels like I under performed.


10% was an under performance for the overall market in 2024, but that depends on where you are in life. Over 50, nothing wrong with that, under 50 you need to get more aggressive.

My 2024 was 26.06% overall, with my most conservative IRA doing 19.32%.

I turned 50 last year, so I looking to ride the roller coaster less
Posted by tigerbacon
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2010
4169 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:18 pm to
I was up 21% in my 401k but up 31% in my investment account. A lot more risk tolerant in my investment account
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12702 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:47 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 9:34 am
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37097 posts
Posted on 1/4/25 at 12:04 am to
Damn son! Well done
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1551 posts
Posted on 1/4/25 at 3:20 am to
quote:

I’m up 200% in 9 years since managing on my own after rolling over some 401ks into IRA



How are you calculating that? For 2024 my portfolio returned 14%. That return was calculated using the XIRR function which takes into account the amount and date of new contributions.

If I look at just the balance from Jan 1 and compare to balance of Dec 31; my portfolio has grown 26%. However, to me that 14% is the number that is more important.

Looking at the balance from the start of 2016 till today, my portfolio is up 247%. That number is nice but it doesn't really tell me how my investments are doing. Since alot of that return is from the new contributions over the years.

From 2016, XIRR tells me that my portfolio has had an average annual return of 9.4% (or total return of 84.6%).
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