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Milroe stats from last night underscore the truly dismal coaching against Bama 2 weeks ago

Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:35 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38996 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:35 pm
SEVEN YARDS RUSHING

11 of 26 for 164 yards passing.

But against LSU, it was virtually as if the D were instructed that the QB wasn't allowed to run.

So freaking obvious against this guy: stack the box, force him to pass. He's just not very good. And looked like Tim Tebow against the Tigers.
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
18038 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:40 pm to
It’s incredible frustrating how LSU can’t game plan against Bama even when they’re a bad football team.
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
5604 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:41 pm to
If it was so simple, why did he also shred UGA (both on the ground and through the air, by the way)? It was Oklahoma’s day. Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
13473 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:43 pm to
Oklahoma defense didn't run themselves out of plays overpursuing, had great gap discipline and their players can tackle. All things our defense doesn't do well. In fact are horrible at.
That's not to excuse the terrible plan Baker employed against Bama but even with the perfect plan, the things above would've still gotten our brains beaten in. Just accept we aren't good.
Posted by BordyLSU
Austin Texas Baby
Member since Dec 2006
1577 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:44 pm to
Early in our game he was hitting check downs for 9+ yd pick ups. He could have done that all game too. Every thing they did worked against us that night
Posted by TigerFanFromBama
Pike Road, AL
Member since Mar 2015
4835 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:47 pm to
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If it was so simple, why did he also shred UGA


Bro you're comparing a game from September and late November. There's a ton of game film at this point. Oklahoma had a great gameplan. BK & Baker shite the bed.

This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7409 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 1:55 pm to
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So freaking obvious against this guy: stack the box, force him to pass. He's just not very good.
Milroe
QB Rating: 153.5
Comp%: 65.0%

Nussmeier
QB Rating: 138.22
Comp%: 63.4%

Going into the season, everyone knew that LSU had gaps in talent on the defense. In particular, up the middle with DTs, LBs, and Safeties. That gap in talent was a problem against Alabama. They were a bad matchup for LSU.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78658 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:09 pm to
you think Milroe running surprised UGA in september andnIU just figured him out?

People need to realize football isn’t just copy paste it’s matchup based.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:15 pm to
The coaching staff has completely failed this team. They should be ashamed.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
289511 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:16 pm to
This is such a stupid game to play with all the inner conference parity that has happened this year lol
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38996 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:26 pm to
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This is such a stupid game to play with all the inner conference parity that has happened this year lol
Well, then, it was a stupid game I played in real time during the 1st quarter of the Bama game live. LSU is THE ONLY team, that routinely seems to simply not understand the rudiments of defense. This isn't only this year. For years, all the opposing O has to do is even flirt with mis-direction and it's like it's middle school ball out there for LSU.

At least dare Milroe to pass on you. If he does, good on him. But there simply has to be an alternative to repeated massive runs up the middle.
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
33753 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:31 pm to
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But against LSU, it was virtually as if the D were instructed that the QB wasn't allowed to run. So freaking obvious against this guy: stack the box, force him to pass. He's just not very good. And looked like Tim Tebow against the Tigers.


If you want to cash out on the entire defensive staff after not even one season, then you haven’t been watching. We know full well the talent and depth issues we have. We know how insanely bad the entire unit was last year, and we can see that there have been statistical improvements across the board this year. They won the OM game for us when the offense struggled. They held Pavia to his worst game of the season last night. There’s been real improvement.

Anyone paying attention also knows we still have some guys out there who we know can’t be trusted. Guys like Ryan and Burns were ok last night and vs Arkansas and OM, but got absolutely exposed vs A&M and Bama.

If things don’t improve as the talent level improves, then you will have a point. We aren’t there yet. This defense is based on using several journeymen to plug holes, playing young guys in roles that probably aren’t ideal for them, and some smoke and mirrors. Sometimes a great athlete will blow that shite up. Let’s see what happens when the talent level gets back to where we expect it to be, which really starts next season.

As for the teams that have handled Milroe better, they all have more depth and talent across the front 7 and more experience in their systems. Vandy is the only one with comparable talent, but they do have experience and a great defensive coach. Their defense made a big jump this year when he took over DC responsibilities.
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 2:34 pm
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
33753 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:31 pm to
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People need to realize football isn’t just copy paste it’s matchup based.


This fanbase is far too simple to understand that.
Posted by caliegeaux
Member since Aug 2004
12624 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:32 pm to
I would say with the number of disappointing things to add up this year, this tops my list. I’ve been in the defend CBK and staff crowd because of the lack of elite playmakers on D and the overall lack of talent and depth. But the only way Milroe will really hurt you is if you let him run. It was almost like we committed to shove him to the forefront of Heisman talks. That was disappointing as hell.
Posted by Riolobo
On the lake
Member since Mar 2017
5152 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:40 pm to
Thank BK for this. Milfore has 8 touchdowns against us in 2 games. Unbelievably bad coaching
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
33753 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:46 pm to
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But the only way Milroe will really hurt you is if you let him run. It was almost like we committed to shove him to the forefront of Heisman talks. That was disappointing as hell.


Everyone really loved the way we sat back and tried to defend A&M after they switched QB’s right? That worked really well, didn’t it?

The only way our defense has had success this season is when we get pressure on the QB. Period. Go back and look at every game. This is what works with the players we have.

We played a risky game with Pavia last night by playing aggressive up front, crashing the mesh point and getting him out on the run on passing downs. We did the same with Dart and Green (who was coming off an injury), and it worked. They all folded under the pressure.

We tried to apply pressure to Milroe and he killed us. You have to be perfect in your assignments playing that way and we all saw what happened. We also saw the DL, which has played better than anyone expected this season, get pushed around vs Bama. Them not being able to hold up created a lot of problems that we don’t have guys elsewhere to cover up for. That was a huge problem that no scheme is covering up.

The alternative against an athletic QB like Milroe is playing soft zone and being reactive. We have flat-out sucked every time we have tried to play that way, going back to last season. So pick your poison. The staff obviously didn’t believe they could sit back, spy, and play a ton of soft zone and do any better. That is how most other defenses that have had success have handled Milroe, but we don’t have the guys to play straight up like that without creating some havoc.
Posted by wryder1
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2008
4834 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:46 pm to
Oklahoma had the DB’s, LBs and Dline we used to have. The talent isn’t there and Baker is forced to cover up for to many deficiencies. We could’ve run their defensive plan but the results would’ve been the same as earlier because we don’t have the players.
It’s no different than how we used to embarrass teams like Oregon, West Virginia and other teams with mobile QB’s. We had the athletes neutralize all those athletic QB’s, man their receivers and etc.
Posted by Tammany Tom
Mandeville
Member since Jun 2004
5383 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 3:42 pm to
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Oklahoma had the DB’s, LBs and Dline we used to have. The talent isn’t there and Baker is forced to cover up for to many deficiencies. We could’ve run their defensive plan but the results would’ve been the same as earlier because we don’t have the players


You are 100% correct. This has been said 1000 times on this board, but the idiots simply can’t grasp it.
Posted by trex1250
Roswell
Member since Jun 2007
1156 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 3:43 pm to
& had 2 weeks to plan against a high school offense.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23142 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 3:52 pm to
Yeah, people bitching about this are just clueless. Oklahoma's having a bad season, because their offense has been beyond pathetic. Their defense has been stout all year. They have the players to contain Milroe.

We don't. We just don't. You can scheme all you like, and at some point the athletes come into play.

Look at LSU/Vandy, for example. Vanderbilt beat Bama at home, Pavia was the leading rusher at QB in the SEC. A rushing QB has been LSU's nightmare all season long. We didn't suddenly figure out how to stop him after being gashed, we BEAT them. Our DL just mangled their OL, he had no time to roll out and throw- that part of their gameplan stopped. Pavia couldn't outrun our linebackers or DEs, the guys watching him- that part of their offense stuffed.
Weeks could chase Pavia down. He can't do that with Sellers, Reed, Milroe.

Oklahoma has guys that can.
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