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3 stars on defense are why LSU was not top 5 this year or last
Posted on 10/7/24 at 12:49 am
Posted on 10/7/24 at 12:49 am
Talent matters. While both are important, It is more important to have top talent than it is top coaching. You can't coach talent. It's there or it isn't. Saban wasn't winning Nati's at Michigan St, but was at Bama. You tell me what the difference was in Michigan St and Bama class rankings.
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, half of our defense being 3 stars or near that is why LSU finished I believe 80th in FBS last year and 58th in FBS this year. The only way things will change is recruiting better. That is the only solution. Especially DBs.
There's no reason why LSU who finishes top 6 in recruiting year in and year out for a couple decades now can't have 4 stars across the board on defense. 2 of our starting DBs were ranked 700th and 500th on recruiting services. Why is this on the field when we finish top 6 in recruiting? How can top 6 classes result in mid-ranked 3 stars? Where is that talent? Are they on the bench? Is it all on offense? Did they transfer out? Where is it?
Both USC games are in the rear view mirror with how bad our defense (DBs) performed, and people are way too what happened yesterday, not what happened 2 weeks ago... but this will absolutely be a problem vs Ole Miss. Don't let a bye week and a game vs South Alabama fool you.
UCLA - QB put up nearly 3x the passing yards on LSU vs Oregon, had his best game by far vs LSU, had his 1st highest QBR and 1st highest Rtg vs LSU
USC - put up nearly 400 yards passing. Miller Moss had his 1st highest Passer Rtg game vs LSU, 30.0 points above any other game he's played this season
Gio Lopez (USA QB) had his 2nd best Passer Rating game this season on us when he plays FCS level schools each week
Nicholls St QB had his best passing % game vs LSU
USCe LaNorris Sellers had his 1st highest QBR game vs LSU and would've thrown for his only 200+ yard game if not injured at half
So 3 of 5 QBs have had their 1st overall best QBR/Rating game vs LSU. 1 of 5 had their 2nd best game vs LSU. The worst QB Rating vs LSU was Nicholl St and he had his 3rd best game vs LSU out of 5 games. That's really really bad. These scrub QBs and teams are coming in and just torching our defense.
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, half of our defense being 3 stars or near that is why LSU finished I believe 80th in FBS last year and 58th in FBS this year. The only way things will change is recruiting better. That is the only solution. Especially DBs.
There's no reason why LSU who finishes top 6 in recruiting year in and year out for a couple decades now can't have 4 stars across the board on defense. 2 of our starting DBs were ranked 700th and 500th on recruiting services. Why is this on the field when we finish top 6 in recruiting? How can top 6 classes result in mid-ranked 3 stars? Where is that talent? Are they on the bench? Is it all on offense? Did they transfer out? Where is it?
Both USC games are in the rear view mirror with how bad our defense (DBs) performed, and people are way too what happened yesterday, not what happened 2 weeks ago... but this will absolutely be a problem vs Ole Miss. Don't let a bye week and a game vs South Alabama fool you.
UCLA - QB put up nearly 3x the passing yards on LSU vs Oregon, had his best game by far vs LSU, had his 1st highest QBR and 1st highest Rtg vs LSU
USC - put up nearly 400 yards passing. Miller Moss had his 1st highest Passer Rtg game vs LSU, 30.0 points above any other game he's played this season
Gio Lopez (USA QB) had his 2nd best Passer Rating game this season on us when he plays FCS level schools each week
Nicholls St QB had his best passing % game vs LSU
USCe LaNorris Sellers had his 1st highest QBR game vs LSU and would've thrown for his only 200+ yard game if not injured at half
So 3 of 5 QBs have had their 1st overall best QBR/Rating game vs LSU. 1 of 5 had their 2nd best game vs LSU. The worst QB Rating vs LSU was Nicholl St and he had his 3rd best game vs LSU out of 5 games. That's really really bad. These scrub QBs and teams are coming in and just torching our defense.
This post was edited on 10/7/24 at 1:21 am
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Posted on 10/7/24 at 12:58 am to Saunson69
Beware everyone will reply telling you our 3 stars are better than everyone else’s 3 stars and our coaches can turn them all into 1st round picks.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 1:02 am to lsutiger2011
Sage - 5 star
Burns - 4 star
Gilbert - 4 star
Welch - 4 star
Toviano - 4 star
JK Johnson - 4 star
Stars matter, but player development matters just as much
Burns - 4 star
Gilbert - 4 star
Welch - 4 star
Toviano - 4 star
JK Johnson - 4 star
Stars matter, but player development matters just as much
Posted on 10/7/24 at 1:09 am to Saunson69
Go away.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 1:13 am to FriscoTiger
Posted on 10/7/24 at 1:13 am to FriscoTiger
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Burns - 4 star
sucked at Georgia transfer 3 star
quote:sucks transfer 3 star
Gilbert - 4 star
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Welch - 4 star
sucks not even on the team
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Toviano - 4 star
4 star breeder who hasn't really even played CB in a game
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JK Johnson - 4 star
sucks transfer 3 star
LSU has recruited below average at CB and safety positions since 2020. Everyone is finally seeing how bad we have been the last 5 years at these positions.
This post was edited on 10/7/24 at 1:15 am
Posted on 10/7/24 at 1:23 am to Saunson69
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Talent matters. While both are important, It is more important to have top talent than it is top coaching.
That's just flat-out wrong.
Good coaching with average talent will outperform great talent with meh coaching.
Give me a coach who understands how to stifle an opponent's offense, with players who understand their assignments and don't get lost on plays, over a team of allstars who are just put out on the field and told "get em".
Look at Alabama's defense. 5 stars at every position, probably 2-3 deep. They just got mauled by Vanderbilt, who likely doesn't have any 4 stars on the roster. Properly coached and focused, they probably shut Vanderbilt out.
Now, look at Arkansas' defense. Pretty middle of the pack, no stars (seemed like their top player yesterday was a D lineman who couldn't get on the field at LSU). For most of the game, they smothered Tennessee, one of the best offenses in college today. They were coached up.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 1:43 am to Scoob
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That's just flat-out wrong.
Good coaching with average talent will outperform great talent with meh coaching.
Give me a coach who understands how to stifle an opponent's offense, with players who understand their assignments and don't get lost on plays, over a team of allstars who are just put out on the field and told "get em".
This is just a flat out wrong take. Go look at the last 10 national champions. Tell me what their preceding recruiting class ranks are.
Of the last 2 decades the only time I can think of a team that didn't have top 7 consistent classes to win a nati was Michigan last year and the very first Nati Clemson won. And those teams were probably finishing in the 10th - 15th ranked classes. Every other team was a top 5 or at lowest top 10 class every year.
I just randomly checked Florida St 2013 Nati, class of 2011 finished 2nd, class of 2012 finished 4th.
Talent is undeniably more important than good coaching. 2022 National Championship Georgia 65-7 I think was a good perspective on just how much more talent matters.
You could've put a High School football coach as UGA's head coach vs TCU with 1 month to learn the playbook, and they still would've wiped the floor with TCU.
This post was edited on 10/7/24 at 1:49 am
Posted on 10/7/24 at 1:57 am to Saunson69
There is a ceiling to how much a 3* roster can be coached-up that is lower than that of a 5* roster. Moreover, if it's as simple as coaching-up players, why hasn't Vandy been thrashing Bama all these years?
When looking at case studies, e.g,. Bama-Vandy, bear in mind that this was an outlier. Bama was coming off an emotional high from the previous week vs UGA. Vandy is probably more talented than they're usually given credit for, had some wrinkles that Bama never figured out, and they played well.
When looking at case studies, e.g,. Bama-Vandy, bear in mind that this was an outlier. Bama was coming off an emotional high from the previous week vs UGA. Vandy is probably more talented than they're usually given credit for, had some wrinkles that Bama never figured out, and they played well.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 5:34 am to Saunson69
How can you say stars matter and not development/coaching when you point out the rankings of where we are on a list, without acknowledging that the other 4 teams on each teams list, are majority 1-3 stars? Basically you’re telling everyone that every team we have played, their opponents have out recruited us so that is why they’re doing better? You can’t have it both ways. This defense is getting better but we still have a long ways to go. Some of the issues are talent, some are inexperience and some are just us being stuck with some players who have a limited ceiling.
If what you are saying is true then please explain KY shutting UGA and Ole Miss down? The thing with 2-3 star players is that they need time to develop. Whether that is their bodies and/or skill set, they mostly need time. That is why teams like KY, Miss St and etc have solid teams every 3-4 years and suck in between because that’s how long it takes to develop their talent. The great thing about 5 stars are that you can mostly drop them in immediately and get some production out of them, therefore the turn around is a lot shorter.
If what you are saying is true then please explain KY shutting UGA and Ole Miss down? The thing with 2-3 star players is that they need time to develop. Whether that is their bodies and/or skill set, they mostly need time. That is why teams like KY, Miss St and etc have solid teams every 3-4 years and suck in between because that’s how long it takes to develop their talent. The great thing about 5 stars are that you can mostly drop them in immediately and get some production out of them, therefore the turn around is a lot shorter.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 5:45 am to Saunson69
Half of the nfl is 3 star and below. The star rating system is way over rated
Posted on 10/7/24 at 6:04 am to Saunson69
All those 4 and 5 starts ant Vandy and Arky balled out Saturday.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:23 am to Saunson69
Which 3 star players are getting significant playing time on defense?
Stamps, Woodland, who else?
eta: Forgot about the interior DL. Definitely no star power there, but Suggs and Paez seem to be doing a decent job at playing their roles and letting Jones and Swinson cause havoc.
Stamps, Woodland, who else?
eta: Forgot about the interior DL. Definitely no star power there, but Suggs and Paez seem to be doing a decent job at playing their roles and letting Jones and Swinson cause havoc.
This post was edited on 10/7/24 at 8:07 am
Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:34 am to Saunson69
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the last 2 decades the only time I can think of a team that didn't have top 7 consistent classes to win a nati was Michigan last year and the very first Nati Clemson won.
It’s almost like the recruiting services are sleeping on the emerging programs, and then adjust their star ratings AFTER those programs start competing for championships. :/
Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:48 am to WrexhamLSU
What happened to L. Welch?
Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:55 am to Saunson69
Some of you are just fricking miserable. Let’s just see if they can beat Ole Miss this weekend
Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:57 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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Which 3 star players are getting significant playing time on defense?
Amad Breaux
Suggs
Paez
Posted on 10/7/24 at 8:00 am to jrodLSUke
& were much better at DT this year than we were with two 4 stars & a 5 star last year
Posted on 10/7/24 at 8:02 am to Scoob
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Good coaching with average talent will outperform great talent with meh coaching.
Wel we've done neither. Coach average talent beyond average play or recruit elite talent. I'm with OP on this.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 8:07 am to Saunson69
It’s not a lack of talent, all those players are physically gifted. Do they always play well, no but that’s a different discussion. Alabama didn’t lose or give up 40 to Vandy because they were less talented, they just didn’t play well. This theory that anytime LSU doesn’t play well in some way automatically means the players aren’t capable is just lazy and silly.
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