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Karlo Matkovic: Diamond in the Rough?
Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:40 pm
All the news coming out of Pelicans summer League games and the recent player-orchestrated workouts in California, have Karlo doing good things in the respective settings.
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I believe Karlo will be used more at the PF spot behind ZIon when he is taking a breather. But, Im excited that Karlo has good size, nice bounce for alleys on pick rolls with DJ and can knock down the three at a decent clip.
He obviously will face stiffer comp in the League but I feel he will grow exponentially over the course of the season with practice reps and playing time.
If Karlo produces, we could have one of the deepest teams in the league.
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I believe Karlo will be used more at the PF spot behind ZIon when he is taking a breather. But, Im excited that Karlo has good size, nice bounce for alleys on pick rolls with DJ and can knock down the three at a decent clip.
He obviously will face stiffer comp in the League but I feel he will grow exponentially over the course of the season with practice reps and playing time.
If Karlo produces, we could have one of the deepest teams in the league.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 12:04 am
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 11:26 pm to Ijuschill1
Nothing but optimistic with Karlo and theis. Pelicans perimeter defense is solid so don’t see a big responsibility of this teams 5.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:33 am to Ijuschill1
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believe Karlo will be used more at the PF spot behind ZIon when he is taking a breather. But, Im excited that Karlo has good size,
I don't think this would be the case. If so, we would be playing Karlo along with another big at the same time. That should be super rare, given our talent elsewhere. No slight to any of our 5 "bigs", but none would/should rank within our top 8-9. We will have to give them minutes out of necessity, but we shouldn't give them more than we have to..
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:46 am to slutiger5
quote:we gonna get crushed on the boards if our shots isn’t falling
Pelicans perimeter defense is solid so don’t see a big responsibility of this teams 5.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:06 am to Ijuschill1
I have some high optimism for him. I want to see it against actual league comp though.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 7:11 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:54 am to Fun Bunch
Im really high on Karlo. I think he can replace nance's production from last year.
Still wish we could make a hawkins for kessler trade
Still wish we could make a hawkins for kessler trade
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:03 am to BowDownToLSU
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we gonna get crushed on the boards if our shots isn’t falling
I disagree.
If we get the Zion that ended last season or better then we will be fine.
Zion/ Trey have plenty enough size and abilities to rebound, last year it was greatly about effort.
Full effort Zion on boards and more experienced Trey should be fine with another big rebounder.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:56 am to Dantheman504
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should be fine with another big rebounder.
Who? We lost about 22rpg and we weren't a great rebounding team then. How do we fill the gap?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 1:58 pm to brmark70816
Right
We have been saying the same thing about Zion and Murphy every offseason since they’ve been here
You lost your best 4 rebounders with Zion being your best returning guy (scary).
Theis becomes your best rebound at 13.6% career, which is bad. Jemison 12.8% in 25 career games. Karlo averaged 8 per in the G.
We were 10th in rebounding rate last year, mainly on the back on Jonas. We can still find success but a stud rebounder would make things a lot easier
We have been saying the same thing about Zion and Murphy every offseason since they’ve been here
You lost your best 4 rebounders with Zion being your best returning guy (scary).
Theis becomes your best rebound at 13.6% career, which is bad. Jemison 12.8% in 25 career games. Karlo averaged 8 per in the G.
We were 10th in rebounding rate last year, mainly on the back on Jonas. We can still find success but a stud rebounder would make things a lot easier
Posted on 9/25/24 at 2:36 pm to Ijuschill1
They said the same stuff about Jaxson Hayes during the voluntary practices before training camp. Not holding my breath
Posted on 9/25/24 at 2:38 pm to GynoSandberg
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You lost your best 4 rebounders with Zion being your best returning guy (scary).
Yeah really fricking spooky to replace 80y/o Nance and Cody Zeller....
Val played 30min and got 12 rebounds.
Theis + (1) backup will play 30min and get 12 rebounds.... Last year Val averaged 23min and 9 reb, that's not a crazy number to recover from.
Zion and Trey have a combined average of (10) rebounds through their career per game. Y'all can be pessimistic and actually believe that is what we are going to get but if both stay healthy then y'all are out of your damn minds respectfully.
We lost our "best rebounders" is a weird way of saying " we freed up 70 minutes of playing time."
We replaced Zeller, Naji, Nance, and Val. Theis is an upgrade > 3 of those players and the other 50min are opened up for more talented players.
Y'all are legit worried about 20 rebounds in a total span of 70 minutes playing time from PF and C.
If you take JRE average of 1.9reb per 8.6min and average to 70minutes he would have around 15rebounds.....
All we have to do is play players at positions to reach this worrisome and unattainable goal set by 3 washed centers and a SF with hustle.....
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:55 pm to Ijuschill1
He certainly has a chance to be. The net effect of him backing up Zion in small ball lineups would be good. You’d be able to add more length, continue to push pace, and add a bit more 3ball. He won’t play if he is a defensive turnstile.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:59 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Val had a Reb% of 20.9 last season, Theiss 13.7, but you think Theis +1 backup will magically rebound just as much as Val?
Val played 30min and got 12 rebounds.
Theis + (1) backup will play 30min and get 12 rebounds.... Last year Val averaged 23min and 9 reb, that's not a crazy number to recover from.
Another way to view it, Val averaged 5 more rebounds per 36 than Theis, so roughly 4 more rebounds every 30 minutes...so where are you getting the notion the center position won't downgrade at al in reboundingl by swapping Theis+backup for Val?
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:42 pm to shel311
I mean, I'm a pretty big Theis backer, and even I will concede that the rebounding will suffer, although I do think that some of the difference in offensive rebounds is due to Theis playing further from the basket while JV was often in the dunker's spot.
But, yeah, unless Zion and Trey really step up as rebounders (not completely impossible), our rebounding is going to go down.
Although I do think that Karlo, Missi, and Jemison are probably all better rebounders than Larry, so that will lessen the discrepancy just a bit.
But anyone who pretends that rebounding isn't near the top of the list of concerns this season is smoking something.
But, yeah, unless Zion and Trey really step up as rebounders (not completely impossible), our rebounding is going to go down.
Although I do think that Karlo, Missi, and Jemison are probably all better rebounders than Larry, so that will lessen the discrepancy just a bit.
But anyone who pretends that rebounding isn't near the top of the list of concerns this season is smoking something.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:52 pm to Dantheman504
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Yeah really fricking spooky to replace 80y/o Nance and Cody Zeller....
No one is talking about Zeller.
Theis is older than Nance and a worse rebounder and you’re here carrying on about counting on him to be your best rebounder on a supposed contender
You lost your 4 best rebounders (Val, Nance, Marshall, Dyson). Three of them aren’t even really good rebounders as it is. JV literally has the 9th best rebounding rate all time. Maybe you can replace him with Daniel frickin theis and (1) backup in NBA live.
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Zion and Trey have a combined average of (10) rebounds through their career per game.
Which is pathetic for a 280 lb man and a 6’10” guy with a nice wing and vert
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We lost our "best rebounders" is a weird way of saying " we freed up 70 minutes of playing time."
We replaced Zeller, Naji, Nance, and Val. Theis is an upgrade > 3 of those players and the other 50min are opened up for more talented players.
Bro who the frick do you think Daniel Theis is
Posted on 9/26/24 at 1:37 am to GynoSandberg
It's funny how a few,, I would say knowledgeable individuals, keep trying to theorize how Theis is not a significant downgrade from Val when it comes to rebounding.
I am not counting on nor hoping Theis rebounds at a level he has never accomplished, let alone at the age he is now.
What we need to focus on is whether Matkovic or Missi can immediately play themselves into a starter, respectively.
I don't see Matkovic having the mentality early on to hold his own at Center. It will be an adjustment for him. From what I have seen, he plays like a stretch 4 that is a lob threat on the pick and roll. He's not a banger down low threat. I don't see him having a good rebounding average to begin his NBA career.
Can he be better than Nance? Absolutely, but he is not yet, on Day 1.
I'm telling you now, right or wrong, Griff is counting on Missi and his propensity to learn quickly when it comes to the Center position this year. If he struggles out the gate, then I see Griff making a trade for a Center. I don't think Matkovic is really even being considered at the 5 spot and starting.
I am not counting on nor hoping Theis rebounds at a level he has never accomplished, let alone at the age he is now.
What we need to focus on is whether Matkovic or Missi can immediately play themselves into a starter, respectively.
I don't see Matkovic having the mentality early on to hold his own at Center. It will be an adjustment for him. From what I have seen, he plays like a stretch 4 that is a lob threat on the pick and roll. He's not a banger down low threat. I don't see him having a good rebounding average to begin his NBA career.
Can he be better than Nance? Absolutely, but he is not yet, on Day 1.
I'm telling you now, right or wrong, Griff is counting on Missi and his propensity to learn quickly when it comes to the Center position this year. If he struggles out the gate, then I see Griff making a trade for a Center. I don't think Matkovic is really even being considered at the 5 spot and starting.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 9:21 am to Ijuschill1
quote:I do think Theis can be as good or better than Nance as a rebounder. I do not see him anywhere near JV in that regard (or offensively either). I think it is fair to think Karlo may be more of a 4 than a 5, but we will see. I kind of agree that Griffin is not finished looked to upgrade that position if the opportunity arises.
It's funny how a few,, I would say knowledgeable individuals, keep trying to theorize how Theis is not a significant downgrade from Val when it comes to rebounding.
I am not counting on nor hoping Theis rebounds at a level he has never accomplished, let alone at the age he is now.
What we need to focus on is whether Matkovic or Missi can immediately play themselves into a starter, respectively.
I don't see Matkovic having the mentality early on to hold his own at Center. It will be an adjustment for him. From what I have seen, he plays like a stretch 4 that is a lob threat on the pick and roll. He's not a banger down low threat. I don't see him having a good rebounding average to begin his NBA career.
Can he be better than Nance? Absolutely, but he is not yet, on Day 1.
I'm telling you now, right or wrong, Griff is counting on Missi and his propensity to learn quickly when it comes to the Center position this year. If he struggles out the gate, then I see Griff making a trade for a Center. I don't think Matkovic is really even being considered at the 5 spot and starting.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 9:55 am to NOSHAU
I think you can argue Theis and Nance are a wash, and if we get Spurs Murray then he covers what Naji and Dyson brought to rebounding. But that leaves a huge hole to fill with JV, that looks like it's just not going to be filled.
They are going to have to accept that they will lose the rebounding battle more often this season and find other ways to end possessions. I think they need to lean into having all these long arms and 2 of the top thieves in the league and focus on forcing turnovers.
They are going to have to accept that they will lose the rebounding battle more often this season and find other ways to end possessions. I think they need to lean into having all these long arms and 2 of the top thieves in the league and focus on forcing turnovers.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 10:15 am to TigerinATL
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I think they need to lean into having all these long arms and 2 of the top thieves in the league and focus on forcing turnovers.
Exactly. And Theis was a significantly better defender last season than JV. If we keep guys away from the basket, it can make up for some of the poor rebounding.
And I also think that getting Murray vs losing Dyson/Larry puts us ahead of last season when it comes to steals, simply because of the minutes that Murray gets. Herb and Jose will also keep intense pressure on opposing ballhandlers.
I'm saying that I think there are ways that the team can overcome the drop in rebounding that will happen with losing JV. But the people who say that it shouldn't be a concern are smoking something.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 7:04 am to GOP_Tiger
I hear yall on the keeping opponenfs out the paint due to perimeter defense and presumably making them a team of mid ranges and jumpshots, with us being able to blockout and have a gang-rebound mentality as a team.
But reality is, teams are getting taller again and actually going past the 7 footer (really 6'11) examples of the past. Someone needs to tell Griff we miss the small ball era, it was brief. In our division alone, we got starting Centers, legit 7'1 to 7'6 and we're not talking any Shawn Bradley's here. We have Centers who can and should average 10-12 rebounds on a down night. Nevermind the Embiid's and Jokic's of the world. Missi is 6'11 (6'10 probably) and he's the runt of the division, as it stands.
Griff, please get us a Center that can dual against these trees out here... Im to the point where I would give two 1st rounders and Ingram to Danny Ainge for Kessler, Collins and some 2nd round picks and try my best to keep Danny from nickeling Hawkins into the deal. But, if that's the deal breaker, Hawk you gotta go too. If CJ comes off the bench, it might be hard to get Hawk consistent minutes anyways, unless he plays the 3, but that's Trey so it's tough. We got Javonte to play along with Ryan and Reeves for bench shooting if a game calls for it.
If the Kessler trade is too stiff than man kick that can to Portland and get Robert Williams here for the low and scrutinize that team physical... I think he can give us what we need and he'll get better during the course of the year being farther removed from the injuries he's sustained recently. We DONT need Allen from Cleveland and his contract. We would eventually lose bench depth in the future bc of hitting or going over the cap.
But reality is, teams are getting taller again and actually going past the 7 footer (really 6'11) examples of the past. Someone needs to tell Griff we miss the small ball era, it was brief. In our division alone, we got starting Centers, legit 7'1 to 7'6 and we're not talking any Shawn Bradley's here. We have Centers who can and should average 10-12 rebounds on a down night. Nevermind the Embiid's and Jokic's of the world. Missi is 6'11 (6'10 probably) and he's the runt of the division, as it stands.
Griff, please get us a Center that can dual against these trees out here... Im to the point where I would give two 1st rounders and Ingram to Danny Ainge for Kessler, Collins and some 2nd round picks and try my best to keep Danny from nickeling Hawkins into the deal. But, if that's the deal breaker, Hawk you gotta go too. If CJ comes off the bench, it might be hard to get Hawk consistent minutes anyways, unless he plays the 3, but that's Trey so it's tough. We got Javonte to play along with Ryan and Reeves for bench shooting if a game calls for it.
If the Kessler trade is too stiff than man kick that can to Portland and get Robert Williams here for the low and scrutinize that team physical... I think he can give us what we need and he'll get better during the course of the year being farther removed from the injuries he's sustained recently. We DONT need Allen from Cleveland and his contract. We would eventually lose bench depth in the future bc of hitting or going over the cap.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 7:06 am
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