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The basis of western civilization is that human life has intrinsic value

Posted on 9/15/24 at 1:30 pm
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 1:30 pm
And that we all have inalienable rights. This is the fundamental reason why western civilization is superior to other culture.

As such, pro choice people are incongruent with western values and the practice will come to be viewed along with slavery…Not surprisingly both were/are cornerstones of the democrat party.

I felt compelled to post this because I just had a sickening exchange on Instagram with a mother of two daughters who admitted she would have aborted her two kids if she had felt the desire because in essence they didn’t have feelings.
She then accused me of not having empathy. Lol.

There is no room for people like this in an advance culture and We cannot co-exist with them in the future.


Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58665 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 1:35 pm to
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The basis of western civilization is that human life has intrinsic value


Not in the slightest. This patently is false. Western society still doesn’t believe all lives have value.

This country was built by slaves. Women couldn’t even open their own bank accounts until what, the 1970s?
This post was edited on 9/15/24 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34845 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 1:42 pm to
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Not in the slightest. This patently is false. Western society still doesn’t believe all lives have value. This country was built by slaves. Women couldn’t even open their own bank accounts until what, the 1970s?


No that is pretty much it. And judging the past with the moral standards of today is a common fallacy of middle schoolers. Someone of your advanced age should have learned by now.

And slavery was wrong. Abortion was and is wrong. Both will be viewed in the same lens. This is the evolution of our culture.
Posted by NineLineBind
LA....no, the other one
Member since May 2020
8406 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 1:43 pm to
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Western society still doesn’t believe all lives have value.

Compared to what other society? The ones who still have institutional slavery today?
quote:

This country was built by slaves.

Pretty much all of them were.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58665 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 1:46 pm to
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And judging the past with the moral standards of today is a common fallacy of middle schoolers.


People thought slavery was wrong while it was happening. Saying that treating human beings as cattle was justifiable because it was a long time ago is a cop out, especially in a thread about human dignity.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79768 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 1:48 pm to
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This country was built by slaves.


I promise you that the slave owners valued their slaves.

They were a very expensive investment.

They would no more want to destroy that investment than a farmer today would set fire to a 3/4 Million dollar combine.

Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58665 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 1:51 pm to
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promise you that the slave owners valued their slaves. They were a very expensive investment.


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Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34845 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 1:54 pm to
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People thought slavery was wrong while it was happening.


Yes, just like people think abortion is wrong today. Thanks for keeping up.

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Saying that treating human beings as cattle was justifiable because it was a long time ago is a cop out, especially in a thread about human dignity.


I never justified slavery but just like you can keep two seemingly contradictory ideas in your head about human rights and abortion so could they about slavery and human rights. Also I’m pretty sure most of them thought blacks were subhuman so that can solves their hypocrisy at least. Doesn’t make it right (sad that I have to qualify that but you seem to struggle with emotions)!
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 1:58 pm to
Judeo Christian ethics
Posted by Sofaking2
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:01 pm to

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Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116651 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:02 pm to
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This country was built by slaves.


How come the slaves didn't build the Indian's society? American Indians had over 50,000 black slaves. The Iroquois got so pissed with them that they just went ahead and ate them.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
106856 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:04 pm to
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Women couldn’t even open their own bank accounts until what, the 1970s?


You make a good point. We used to be much smarter as a society.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34845 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:12 pm to
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Women couldn’t even open their own bank accounts until what, the 1970s? You make a good point. We used to be much smarter as a society.


I guess she thinks the banks work for her and she has some right to their money. Sounds a bit like slavery to me.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58665 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:46 pm to
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I guess she thinks the banks work for her and she has some right to their money. Sounds a bit like slavery to me.


If society respected the intrinsic value of a human, as you claimed, wouldn’t they see that women are deserving of controlling their own money just as men were? Or is there an exception for women that you failed to mention in your OP?

You’re not doing a decent job of defending your own claim.
This post was edited on 9/15/24 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
5433 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:49 pm to
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Not in the slightest. This patently is false. Western society still doesn’t believe all lives have value. This country was built by slaves. Women couldn’t even open their own bank accounts until what, the 1970s?


Folks, this is the viewpoint of the modern liberal white guilter. This poster loathes his or herself and western civilization is the root of all evil in the world.
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
7053 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:51 pm to
If you want a society that values life, that is, the power of a heartbeat, then it has to:

- outlaw the death penalty
- treat soldiers who kill someone as a murderer
- incarcerate any accidental death participants
- remove the ability to take someone off life support
- outlaw abortion

Either a heartbeat is valued or isn't, no grey area around it.

Do you agree all lives should be protected?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66005 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:52 pm to
My goodness you’re hopeless
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66005 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:53 pm to
Your logic is that of an infant. It’s thinly veiled, short sided and 100% propaganda.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
20174 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 5:52 pm to
Essence is what separates us.

“To BE is to do” was argued at the academy by Plato. Because we have essence we do good or evil things.

Satre and other existentialist argue that there is no essence and “To DO is to be.” We are only the actions we take and they are not intrinsically good or evil because none of that exist.

This is the main philosophical argument. Do we have an essence of good or evil? Or are we just doing whatever we want without regard to anything?

I believe we innately know right from wrong. We just do. It’s why people go to great lengths to not get caught. It explains the concept of fairness. Everybody knows when something is not fair. Beauty. Hope. Love. All of these are human essence.

Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
3118 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 6:26 pm to
Not a human baby according to our resident lefties.
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