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Horizon: An American Saga now on Max

Posted on 8/23/24 at 8:21 am
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
29982 posts
Posted on 8/23/24 at 8:21 am
I was disappointed to see a lot of the less than steller reviews. The 3 hour run time will be more tolerable at home for most people though.
Posted by jpainter6174
Boss city
Member since Feb 2014
6242 posts
Posted on 8/23/24 at 8:23 am to
I'm ready!
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 8/23/24 at 8:27 am to
I'll wait til part 2 or maybe part 3 to check it out and split it up into episodes of a series if it's any good.
Posted by thenza
Member since Sep 2013
1379 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 8:06 am to
Watched this last night. I loved it.
I really can’t fathom why the reviews were so bad except that the critics either didn’t know it was only part 1 of a continuing story or they were “offended” that the Indians killed people.

Disclaimer: I am 100% the target audience for Horizon. I think Kevin Costner is a goddamn American treasure. Westerns are my favorite movie genre. And I like a little nudity sprinkled in my movies.

Great cast. Nobody felt like they were playing pretend like in the Marvel or Star Wars crap. It had a bit of a Fargo season 2 vibe with the gangster family. Beautiful scenery. No CGI.

I have no idea if it’ll stick the landing. But it was an awesome setup for an interesting story.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
29982 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 11:22 am to
Watch 2 hours last night and the rest this AM. I liked it but I left it feeling completely unfulfilled for my 3 hours. My biggest problem was the slow character development. Even after 3 hours (though there are multiple sets of characters) I was just beginning to have an investment in anyone. So much of the drama and death felt like it was happening to NPCs. One example was who the hell is Hayes Ellington (Costner) and why did he turn Captain Save-a-ho within minutes of meeting him. It is fine to drag that out a bit but if I have to watch 12 hours over multiple years to unlock him I am not amused.

There is a lot right but my lack of emotional attachment to anyone leaves me cold. I am not saying there was no sparks of attachment by the end but it was minimal, especially for 3 hours of movie. I hope he is able to finish the saga because not getting the full story will irk me even more.



Posted by bubbaprohn
Kansas
Member since Feb 2009
4090 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 3:21 pm to
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I really can’t fathom why the reviews were so bad


I honestly think it's due to most people's need for immediate gratification now-a-days. I am like you, 100% the target audience for this type of movie.

I loved the "realism" of it all. No CGI, no "plot armor" wtf moments just a 100% believable, real saga being told. Seeing it in theatres was even better IMO. The sound of the gun fights were the most bad arse part of the movie. I really hope they show the rest in theatres but I'm afraid due to the bad release it's going to move to streaming only. We'll see.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61044 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 3:51 pm to
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I really can’t fathom why the reviews were so bad except that the critics either didn’t know it was only part 1 of a continuing story or they were “offended” that the Indians killed people.


I think they were bad b/c it's clear as fricking day this should have been a TV series.

You can't expect people to want to sit through a 4 part 12 hour+ epic western in theaters and you sure as shite can't start everything off w/a 3 hour movie that can't stand on it's own when it's not based on any existing IP w/zero built in fanbase to support it.
This post was edited on 8/24/24 at 3:55 pm
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
14868 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 9:06 pm to
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you sure as shite can't start everything off w/a 3 hour movie that can't stand on it's own

Agree. That’s asking waaayy too much of an audience.

Expecting an audience to sit through 3 hours of a slow build at the beginning of summer, then wait until the end of summer for Part 2 is unrealistic, but that’s only half of the problem.

There’s still another two parts and six hours before the story is concluded, and there’s no guarantee if or when it will be completed.

Ideally, it’s a hit on Max, and rest of the saga is moved from theatrical releases onto MAX. It could be a win-win-win for Costner, audiences, and Max.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
50824 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 9:32 pm to
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Ideally, it’s a hit on Max, and rest of the saga is moved from theatrical releases onto MAX. It could be a win-win-win for Costner, audiences, and Max.


It has taken a massive loss in theaters, estimates near 100 million after expenses. Guessing budgets for the remaining movies will be slashed bigly as it targets a streaming only release.

The movie was a disjointed mess where not much happened. Hard to get hooked on a series of movies when the first one jumps all over the place with very little story to hook the audience to come back
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
194204 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 9:36 pm to
It's a good story and it's beautifully shot but it should have been a miniseries from the beginning

you would think that Costner with his star power could have gotten the the money
Posted by moviefan8
Member since Aug 2024
25 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 2:01 pm to
I am halfway through this now. It seems like is have been four hours instead of one and a half hours. It is pretty slow. I would have walked out if I saw this in the theater.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85786 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 2:21 pm to
I'm about half in

I'm not bored FWIW. Have mostly enjoyed it. I like slow burn stuff though. Switching between storylines has been a bit annoying but nothing terrible.
Posted by UnluckyTiger
Member since Sep 2003
41224 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 2:59 pm to
It was ok. Great cinematography though. The acting was hallmark movie bad in the burning house attack. And I kept thinking of Sienna Miller from Curb your Enthusiasm with her over acting in this Not sure I really care about any of the characters either like someone already said. Felt like a mini series I’d see on AMC or…Paramount.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
53680 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 3:19 pm to
Definitely should have been a series but I do regret not seeing some of the scenery and backdrop in the theater
Posted by LuckySo-n-So
Member since Jul 2005
22436 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 4:21 pm to
The end of the movie “time passing” montage was terrible.

The second chapter will go straight to PPV or MAX.

Costner is already filming Chapter three. I imagine he will combine 3 & 4 into one chapter.

Posted by Peter Venkman
Jackson, TN
Member since Aug 2016
2605 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 6:37 pm to
I give it about a 6.5/10. I enjoyed it but it was so hard to follow for most of it. I anticipate rewatching it soon and enjoying it much more. I want to be invested.

As someone else said already, the fast forward time lapse scenes at the end were unnecessary and only stood to confuse.
This post was edited on 8/25/24 at 6:39 pm
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
64509 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:51 pm to
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I give it about a 6.5/10. I enjoyed it but it was so hard to follow for most of it.


I'm usually someone who needs multiple viewings to process complicated movies, but this was pretty easy to follow. What parts were confusing to you?
Posted by jpainter6174
Boss city
Member since Feb 2014
6242 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:58 pm to
I finished it this weekend, I enjoyed it. My biggest complaints were the plot / characters switching, and the length. I would not be able to watch it in theaters, I probably paused it and got up to do something 5-6 times. Also the swapping between story’s, it was just random to me, although after seeing the ending and realizing all the story lines lead to the same town on the pamphlet. The journeys it takes to get there and start the town it kind of makes sense.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27111 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 9:03 pm to
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The end of the movie “time passing” montage was terrible
Just finished it. The scenery and landscapes shots are great . However the movie kinda jumps all over the place as if they cut a lot out to get to just 3 hours. For example Cosner, Marigold and baby are up on the mountain looking down on the camp after being hunted by the family of the guy he killed and she is bitching because he will go the next day to get them a tent.

Next time we see her she is banging some dude in a tent down in the camp. Then we jump to her screwing Costner while he is sleeping and next thing we see is the baby was given to the Chinese lady and she had ghosted Coster with with a note we didn't even get to see.

Maybe I fell a sleep and missed some development or WTF was that?
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
53680 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 9:05 pm to
She was definitely the worst character in the whole thing along with the two wasting the water
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