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re: Joe Rogan Podcast with Bart Sibrel - who here believes the Moon Landing was a hoax?
Posted on 4/26/24 at 8:02 pm to Asleepinthecove
Posted on 4/26/24 at 8:02 pm to Asleepinthecove
The only reason I ever thought about questioning it is because the US and USSR was trying to outdo each other. The USSR had sent aircrafts that landed on the moon so since they did it first, the US had to one up them and then put a man on the moon.
Look at all the missions to the moon, the first being in 1958. And look how many have failed.
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I am asking this with limited knowledge of this, but with all of those failed missions, wouldn't it have been extremely risky at the time to do a mission to the moon with humans? And for what? Just to say we were the first to do it? It really is sad that you really have no idea what to believe anymore.
Look at all the missions to the moon, the first being in 1958. And look how many have failed.
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I am asking this with limited knowledge of this, but with all of those failed missions, wouldn't it have been extremely risky at the time to do a mission to the moon with humans? And for what? Just to say we were the first to do it? It really is sad that you really have no idea what to believe anymore.
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:05 pm to Asleepinthecove
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Sibrel interviewed Gus Grissom’s wife who stated that Gus, the day before his death, said the mission wasn’t going to be able to make the timeline and that he saw what he thought was CIA operatives messing around the Apollo aircraft that exploded with him and 2 other astronauts in it.
Protect public image of a delay by killing your American astronauts instead. Makes sense
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The van allen belt with the extensive radiation that would make it impossible with 1960’s technology for anyone to survive through it, much less live into their 80’s.
Tech that goes to space has always gotten extensive testing and hardening for the radiation exposure. You don't go to space and bring your PC or phone chip that certainly would have more issues in the belt
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How can equipment survive the extensive heat on the moon. Polaroid pictures that would begin to disintegrate as soon as they are exposed to the surface of the moon?
The heat of what exactly, the surface? Surely you don't mean the 'air' surrounding the equipment...
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The shadows from the pictures of the moon landing seem to contradict the moon landing and how true Sun shadows run parallel to each other vs different directions.
covered in this thread a few times
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Buzz Aldrin who apparently brings back what was claimed to be a moon rock that was later analyzed to be petrified wood.
Somebody yoinked or never received a real one. Definitely enough to make you wonder what happened, but hardly any proof that moon rocks in general are fake or not around
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Current AI technology has apparently analyzed the photos and said the pictures were a fake.
any credible source? Would love to read it (not sarcasm)
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Elon Musk and other astrophysicist say that current missions to the moon would require 8 starship launches to fuel up a single moon trip.
Completely different fuel requirements for different spacecraft and lander size and weight. Also Elon may be talking in generalities here, not waiting for the the best earth-to-moon transfer window for efficiency
I'm glad people question things, as they should. But you should stay open minded and look for information, not confirmation.
Bonus: the guy on the podcast said there was a 50% chance to get hit by a meterorite per day, so after three days that meant "150%, aka certain death" ... lol
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:10 pm to Asleepinthecove
NASA admits they lost or accidentally destroyed the technology needed to go back to the moon which is why they haven’t been back. This just means they never went.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:36 pm to Asleepinthecove
This guy is a wack job who spews stupidity.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:52 pm to Asleepinthecove
We did not land on the moon. Cold War bs. If we landed on the moon then, we’d regularly make trips now to practice for mars.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:32 pm to Asleepinthecove
They sure wasted a shite pile of real money on real tests if it was fake.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:58 pm to Asleepinthecove
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Asleepinthecove
You're not gonna believe the name of the fake ship the Navy built that allegedly recovered several of the phony astronaut space ships supposedly returning from the moon. This proves....something....
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Elon Musk and other astrophysicist say that current missions to the moon would require 8 starship launches to fuel up a single moon trip.
I'm pretty sure Elon Musk, the famous astrophysicist, helped build the fake Saturn V rockets launched to fool the American Public. I read about it on the internet and saw it on the YouTube.
Irrefutable photographic proof of the hoax.
Now ask yourself this: why does the Super Dome look like a flying saucer?
Yea. I'm suspicious too.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:51 pm to Asleepinthecove
I don’t really care. Is that fair to say?
For the simple reason that the only reason this was done was to “win the space race.” Mainly because of the Cold War and the US didn’t want to look weak.
Looking back now there’s literally no benefit whatsoever to have gone back then. Other than to win a race. And what better way to win it than to fake it and spitting out American propaganda for national pride?
As long as a stupid MFer doesn’t come at me with flat earth nonsense, there’s a lot of things that if someone came to me and told me the US faked some BS for some reason or another, I wouldn’t be shocked at all.
For the simple reason that the only reason this was done was to “win the space race.” Mainly because of the Cold War and the US didn’t want to look weak.
Looking back now there’s literally no benefit whatsoever to have gone back then. Other than to win a race. And what better way to win it than to fake it and spitting out American propaganda for national pride?
As long as a stupid MFer doesn’t come at me with flat earth nonsense, there’s a lot of things that if someone came to me and told me the US faked some BS for some reason or another, I wouldn’t be shocked at all.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:49 am to Asleepinthecove
My biggest issue with these theories isn't always depends on NASA/deep state/gubmint/CIA/whoever Being brilliant enough to somehow pull all of this off but being too stupid to realize the flag moved when someone walked by it or to think about how the suns shadows would work
Posted on 4/27/24 at 5:05 am to Asleepinthecove
That's the dumbest list of 'gotchas' I've ever seen = not one remotely germane comment in the entire list.
Not even note-worthy.
Hope you were not serious with the question. But I didn't note any semblance of sarcasm.
Not even note-worthy.
Hope you were not serious with the question. But I didn't note any semblance of sarcasm.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 8:13 am to Asleepinthecove
Absolutely amazing that people still actually believe that the government tells them the truth. ??????
Posted on 4/27/24 at 8:55 am to Asleepinthecove
I only have inside information on two of these, but they are so incorrect technically that he's lost all credibility. I'll caveat by saying I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but I will...
What does this have to do with anything? I mean really, I've told some of you Musk humpers that Starship is not optimized for a moon mission, it's optimized for Low Earth orbit Starlink launches. Second, 8 launches???!!!! The official number is 16, and there are several credible analyses that show it can creep over 20. I'll be honest, one thing I didn't anticipate with Musk's epic Starship failures is that it would retroactively create more moon landing deniers.
This is actually a decent question, but with very modest googling he'd have been able to debunk himself. First, one of the main things that makes modern electronics susceptible to radiation are their small size and density. We didn't have that problem in the Apollo days as integrated circuits were still years away from widespread use, although the main guidance computer on Apollo did use early ICs that were not very dense, therefore not as susceptible to radiation as modern chips. The other thing is that radiation events happen in cycles (they last about 11 years), and the Van Allen belts are not a constant amount of radiation from earth to the moon. We've looked at Apollo's trajectories compared to solar cycles, and compared to worst case Van Allen belt radiation, and discovered that while the Apollo folks knew that this radiation existed, they got pretty lucky in when they launched (solar cycle minimums for the most part) and their critical ops (engine burns, dockings, EVAs) tended to dodge the worst case areas of the Van Allen belts. We think this was mostly by chance as some of these environmental aspects wouldn't be discovered for another 20 years. And as for human exposure, the shielding of the spacecraft was enough to give decent protection given that they launched in a solar minimum. Today, for example, we can measure radiation events with GOES satellites, and will scrub launches if there is a solar flare etc. that causes excessive radiation. And as I said before our electronics are way more sensitive to radiation today than they were in the 50's and 60's.
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Elon Musk and other astrophysicist say that current missions to the moon would require 8 starship launches to fuel up a single moon trip.
What does this have to do with anything? I mean really, I've told some of you Musk humpers that Starship is not optimized for a moon mission, it's optimized for Low Earth orbit Starlink launches. Second, 8 launches???!!!!
The official number is 16, and there are several credible analyses that show it can creep over 20. I'll be honest, one thing I didn't anticipate with Musk's epic Starship failures is that it would retroactively create more moon landing deniers. quote:
The van allen belt with the extensive radiation that would make it impossible with 1960’s technology for anyone to survive through it, much less live into their 80’s.
This is actually a decent question, but with very modest googling he'd have been able to debunk himself. First, one of the main things that makes modern electronics susceptible to radiation are their small size and density. We didn't have that problem in the Apollo days as integrated circuits were still years away from widespread use, although the main guidance computer on Apollo did use early ICs that were not very dense, therefore not as susceptible to radiation as modern chips. The other thing is that radiation events happen in cycles (they last about 11 years), and the Van Allen belts are not a constant amount of radiation from earth to the moon. We've looked at Apollo's trajectories compared to solar cycles, and compared to worst case Van Allen belt radiation, and discovered that while the Apollo folks knew that this radiation existed, they got pretty lucky in when they launched (solar cycle minimums for the most part) and their critical ops (engine burns, dockings, EVAs) tended to dodge the worst case areas of the Van Allen belts. We think this was mostly by chance as some of these environmental aspects wouldn't be discovered for another 20 years. And as for human exposure, the shielding of the spacecraft was enough to give decent protection given that they launched in a solar minimum. Today, for example, we can measure radiation events with GOES satellites, and will scrub launches if there is a solar flare etc. that causes excessive radiation. And as I said before our electronics are way more sensitive to radiation today than they were in the 50's and 60's.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:21 pm to Asleepinthecove
They view the Neil Armstrong speech as a cryptic puzzle piece, but I have a much different interpretation of that. To me, he's talking about the kids in attendance going further in scientific progress and discovery. The "truth" that he refers to is the truth of the Universe in a broad sense. The mysterious "unknown" in the Universe. The way he puts it in the speech, the unknown, or truth, is covered by "protective layers". The process of discovery involves removing these layers to uncover more truth. It's the process of advancing humanity's knowledge of the Universe.
Other puzzle pieces talked about in the podcast may have more legitimacy. If the 1999 CNN abduction story is true, holy frick.
Other puzzle pieces talked about in the podcast may have more legitimacy. If the 1999 CNN abduction story is true, holy frick.
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:37 pm to Asleepinthecove
As someone said earlier I question everything now. I think the first landing was possibly faked and maybe a later Apollo mission actually landed there.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:38 pm to Asleepinthecove
As someone said earlier I question everything the government says now. I think the first landing was possibly faked and maybe a later Apollo mission actually landed there.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 8:40 pm to Asleepinthecove
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who here believes the Moon Landing was a hoax?
I don’t believe it was a hoax, but if proof came out to that it was, I wouldn’t be shocked.
No lie propagated by the government shocks me anymore
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 4/27/24 at 11:00 pm to Asleepinthecove
The landers, footprints and rover tracks are still on the moon sites. It's easy enough to look up with an internet search.
Of course, for some rabbit holes are irresistible.
Of course, for some rabbit holes are irresistible.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 4:51 am to Asleepinthecove
This picture was released in 1968. How was it taken if we can't cross the Radiation belt? GPS? Morons. 
Morons. Posted on 4/28/24 at 5:45 am to Asleepinthecove
I believe in the moon landing, but I believe tigerdroppings is fake. I believe that I am the only actual poster on tigerdroppings and the rest of you are the same AI algorithm trying to mess with me.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 8:11 am to Asleepinthecove
Yet another early 1970's CGI, huge fake set video... 
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