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re: Zach Lowe & Kevin Pelton can't imagine a world where Trey isn't starting next year
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:31 pm to Soggymoss
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:31 pm to Soggymoss
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They have the perfect center for the future in Chet That’s literally how the league is going. And Giddey not needing shots nor the ball in his hands is perfect for OKC because they can run the offense they want which is SGA centric
Chet is not a guy whos frame will put on much weight. Hes not their long term answer at center and with his skill set would be better at power forward. They’re one of the worst rebounding teams in the league with Chet at center- thats not sustainable.
Except Giddey struggles shooting the 3. If you noticed he hardly got any minutes late in the game for a reason. They actually traded for Hayward so he would take Giddey minutes. This is like a big talking point- Giddey is an issue for them.
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:36 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Chet is not a guy whos frame will put on much weight. Hes not their long term answer at center and with his skill set would be better at power forward. They’re one of the worst rebounding teams in the league with Chet at center- thats not sustainable.
This is the way the entire league is headed though, Jokic and Embiid are outliers, Lakers don’t have a true center, they play AD there. Spurs will have Wemby playing center in the next year or two, Bam is a smaller faster guy, the big lumbering 5 is going the way of the dodo bird.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:47 pm to Soggymoss
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Lakers don’t have a true center, they play AD there. Spurs will have Wemby playing center in the next year or two, Bam is a smaller faster guy, the big lumbering 5 is going the way of the dodo bird.
Im not arguing with you on the way the league is headed. You are automatically assuming Chet physically to be similar to AD, Bam or Wemby. They are much more athletic and have bigger builds than Chet. Chet continously gets boxed out for rebounds. For instance the reason the lakers kill the thunder is that Chet has major issues matching up with AD. Even Wemby is taller and has a bigger frame than Chet- why everytime they face each other Wemby owns him. Look I like Chet but he needs to play with a bigger defensive rebounding big to be maximized. The main concern for Chet was he doesn’t really have the frame to put on a lot of weight like Wemby or AD or is close to those players athleticism.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:52 pm to Pels_Yaz
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For instance the reason the lakers kill the thunder is that Chet has major issues matching up with AD
And the reason they kill us is because we cannot match up with AD because of Jonas.
It goes both ways
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:58 pm to Soggymoss
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And the reason they kill us is because we cannot match up with AD because of Jonas.
Yes I know. But Chet is not AD. AD is not giving up 20 rebounds to JV or Nurkic like Chet does. Theres a HUGE difference. Again you’re assuming Chet is built like these players if he was they wouldn’t have these massive rebounding issues.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:12 pm to Pels_Yaz
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But I doubt the magic would exchange Isaac for Giddey.
I've been advocating for an Isaac trade for years, but the Magic aren't trading him. The owner absolutely loves him and they refused several offers for him when it wasn't clear if he would ever play again. They sure aren't trading him now that he is almost back to his old self.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:19 pm to Pels_Yaz
Zion, Trey and Herb need to be 3 of your starters next year. From there it's a discussion.
CJ is not a point guard. Case and point last night. He struggles, hell most of the team struggles dribbling the ball under pressure. We desperately need a true PG. I'd trade BI for one in a heartbeat. We haven't had a real one since CP3.
CJ can either move to the 2 and try small ball or ship CJ as well.
Team needs C and PG and you use everyone but Z, Trey, and Herb to get them
CJ is not a point guard. Case and point last night. He struggles, hell most of the team struggles dribbling the ball under pressure. We desperately need a true PG. I'd trade BI for one in a heartbeat. We haven't had a real one since CP3.
CJ can either move to the 2 and try small ball or ship CJ as well.
Team needs C and PG and you use everyone but Z, Trey, and Herb to get them
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:21 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Yes I know. But Chet is not AD. AD is not giving up 20 rebounds to JV or Nurkic like Chet does. Theres a HUGE difference. Again you’re assuming Chet is built like these players if he was they wouldn’t have these massive rebounding issues.
Thunder don’t want a lumbering big like Jonas. They have the picks and space to go get a center that fits their roster and play style. Jonas does not solve their issues facing the Lakers or Nuggets.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:24 pm to purplepylon
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We desperately need a true PG
Who in the league do you consider to be a “true pg”?
That position like the lumbering big is fading into irrelevance.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:27 pm to NOFOX
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Thunder don’t want a lumbering big like Jonas. They have the picks and space to go get a center that fits their roster and play style. Jonas does not solve their issues facing the Lakers or Nuggets.
Absolutely. I never said they want Jonas. Im just saying that Chet cant be their full time center. He needs help and to me with his skillset I can see him being a better fit as a point forward similar to Zion.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:50 pm to NOFOX
quote:Right
Who in the league do you consider to be a “true pg”?
There aren't many and of whatever the list is, how many are even potentially gettable?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:55 pm to TigerinATL
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means benching or trading one of Ingram or CJ.
Why not both? Unless they don't think Hawk is ready
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:56 pm to Fun Bunch
Why not make BI the starting PG? He’s a great facilitator and you’d get Murphy in at the 3 as a starter and gave CJ br the 6th man. arhats not knocking CJ either but there’s a lot of miles on his legs at this point in his career. Maybe playing 27-29 minutes back at the 2 guard off the bench instead of 33-35 as a starting PG trying to be something he isn’t would actually improve everyone, including his, play.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:58 pm to shel311
I wish Pritchard didn’t sign his extension. I say the only gettable “true pg” is Brogdon.
Edit: Chris Paul can be another option but I don’t know what contract he will want especially at that age.
Edit: Chris Paul can be another option but I don’t know what contract he will want especially at that age.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:18 pm to duyp
I didn’t know the Magic really want to keep Isaac. He barely played this year, but I guess him starting in the playoffs would be a tell tale sign.
I’ve been wanting him since his rookie year.
I do not think OKC covets Giddy, or that he’s a good fit for them, or that he wants to be there now that Jalen Williams has surpassed him.
Malcolm Brogdon from 5 years ago would be great. Brogdon today is not the same player. He used to be a good defender. He’s kind of bad now. And he’s one of the most injury prone guys in the league.
We don’t need a true PG. well we do, but there aren’t any out there that are available. And a true PG likely can’t play D so he can’t play with CJ.
I’ve been wanting him since his rookie year.
I do not think OKC covets Giddy, or that he’s a good fit for them, or that he wants to be there now that Jalen Williams has surpassed him.
Malcolm Brogdon from 5 years ago would be great. Brogdon today is not the same player. He used to be a good defender. He’s kind of bad now. And he’s one of the most injury prone guys in the league.
We don’t need a true PG. well we do, but there aren’t any out there that are available. And a true PG likely can’t play D so he can’t play with CJ.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:23 pm to LSUPilot07
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Why not make BI the starting PG? He’s a great facilitator
Because it's year 8 and he still hasn't accepted, much less embraced that role. He is an excellent passer but only does so when he is forced to. He wants everyone to play off of him. He plays at a very slow pace and rarely breaks down the initial defender. And he makes no effort to establish another player when they have an advantage.
I'm done waiting for him to use his skills for the betterment of the team.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
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We don’t need a true PG. well we do, but there aren’t any out there that are available.
We don't. Zion is the starting PG, and Jose is the backup (who will get even more minutes next season).
Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:28 pm to GOP_Tiger
Still ideally need a guy who can maximize Zion off ball which has been heavily missing since Lonzo was moved.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:55 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Yeah national media is really giving deserved props from last night to Trey. This will put a lot of pressure on Griffin because we all see the solution here- question is will Griffin pull the trigger and move BI?
Are they just catching up?
I feel like it's been known that trey has to start next year.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:58 pm to Pels_Yaz
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agree this is the problem. But do you think Griff actually trades him? His value isn’t great right now especially with how hes playing in the playoffs. Nor did BI do anything this season to increase his value- no all star or all nba team. And we all know his affinity for BI as well. I mean there were reports he offered a contract to BI last summer and BI declined. Unless Griffin gets blown away, I just cant see him trading BI.
I don't agree with his value not being great. People were saying this before last night.
If a gm views Ingram as his guy it won't matter. It just takes one gm. I do think the pels have to chop Ingram up into smaller pieces.
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