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re: People who went from nice older home to newer one
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:05 pm to fareplay
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:05 pm to fareplay
It's 1000% true. Construction material in INFINITELY cheaper made than it was 40/50/60 years ago. When I was gutting family member's houses after Katrina I was shocked how heavy the wood, sheetrock and bricks were compared to the shite they're using today.
In this pic, both are 2 x 4's of the same length. However, the one from 1918 will be much heavier due to a greater density.
In this pic, both are 2 x 4's of the same length. However, the one from 1918 will be much heavier due to a greater density.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:08 pm to MightyYat
I know this sounds stupid but I feel I could sense the difference. Like a knock on the wall or walking in the house it just felt more solid
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:14 pm to fareplay
It probably was. The other thing for me is interior doors. Most of the older home had solid doors. These days, every builder wants to use the hollow core shite.
I bought a new construction house last year moving from a house built in 1977. My new house is great and open and all that jazz, but when I go in the attic and see this shite, it causes me a great deal of rage. I hate OSB with a passion.
I bought a new construction house last year moving from a house built in 1977. My new house is great and open and all that jazz, but when I go in the attic and see this shite, it causes me a great deal of rage. I hate OSB with a passion.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:15 pm to MightyYat
Idk what that means but yeah new homes look like sawdust. The door on this house was single piece of wood
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:17 pm to Old Swole
Dog kid lead paint is a big issue
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:20 pm to fareplay
The old massive homes built 100 years ago are the best around here. Not only built better, but look far better too.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:20 pm to fareplay
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Idk what that means but yeah new homes look like sawdust. The door on this house was single piece of wood
The doors to the bedrooms were solid? That's great! Not a lot of builders are doing that unless it's a pretty high end home.
And OSB is Oriented Strand Board. Instead of solid sheets of wood they created this shite in a lab using strands of random wood and chemically gluing and pressing it together. It's fricking Frankenstein board.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:20 pm to East Coast Band
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Perhaps we really are just slowly getting worse materials as the years go by.
Wood is definitely worse. They have to use younger wood now than 100 years ago (when my previous house was built).
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:21 pm to fareplay
Part of this is you need to define "older" house.
It used to be post-war (WWII) construction methods were considered a modern house. Now you have people calling houses built in the 70's and 80's old homes due to their age. All periods had something later frowned upon, whether knob and tube or later aluminum wiring. That said, a house built before 1940 is typically going to feature materials lasting years beyond a modern house, all things equal on maintenance.
It used to be post-war (WWII) construction methods were considered a modern house. Now you have people calling houses built in the 70's and 80's old homes due to their age. All periods had something later frowned upon, whether knob and tube or later aluminum wiring. That said, a house built before 1940 is typically going to feature materials lasting years beyond a modern house, all things equal on maintenance.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:25 pm to RaginCajunz
Well when 2x4s were true 2x4s and not a lot less than two inches.
Molding : a friend paid several hundred thousand for a place outside of Denver. I was surprised to see that all the esterior molding was glued together pine and the glue was failing on the sunny side of the house.
Hardware: hinges aren't even what they used to be.
Plumbing failures didn't happen when the drain pipes were heavy metal and joined together by oakum and melted lead.
Insulation is better, only if it's installed correctly
Old wooded floors were solid wood; new ones are where laminate goes to die.
Molding : a friend paid several hundred thousand for a place outside of Denver. I was surprised to see that all the esterior molding was glued together pine and the glue was failing on the sunny side of the house.
Hardware: hinges aren't even what they used to be.
Plumbing failures didn't happen when the drain pipes were heavy metal and joined together by oakum and melted lead.
Insulation is better, only if it's installed correctly
Old wooded floors were solid wood; new ones are where laminate goes to die.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:28 pm to GetBackToWork
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Part of this is you need to define "older" house.
Was thinking the same thing. OP's house was built in 1976. I dont consider that old. Old to me is 1950 and before or getting closer to 100 years old.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:31 pm to real turf fan
When I built my house about 5 yrs ago the only thing that was cheap really was the sheathing but that is technically better generally speaking because the glue actually makes it last longer.
But I had a friend build a home in Dallas and the actually had finger jointed 2xs
I have been in construction for 20yrs and I had never seen finger jointed material except for cheaper trim materials.
They also used some of that plastic/cellulose sheathing on parts of the house which I had only seen that one other time on a garage.
But I had a friend build a home in Dallas and the actually had finger jointed 2xs
I have been in construction for 20yrs and I had never seen finger jointed material except for cheaper trim materials.
They also used some of that plastic/cellulose sheathing on parts of the house which I had only seen that one other time on a garage.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:31 pm to BabyTac
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The days of owning a home you live in for 30 years are over with.
“…were over with… ”
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:49 pm to fareplay
It’s kind of a myth, but not completely. Plenty of houses from “back in the day” were built cheap AF also and they aren’t around anymore. The ones still around after 75 years are well built.
A lot of the reason for “cheap” stuff falling apart is leaking, water damage, etc. Plus, our houses are so air tight now that they can’t dry out anymore. Also, tear into an older house and I bet you’ll find plenty of repairs on them.
The installation on this newer stuff has to be perfect or it won’t work as well or last as long.
A lot of the reason for “cheap” stuff falling apart is leaking, water damage, etc. Plus, our houses are so air tight now that they can’t dry out anymore. Also, tear into an older house and I bet you’ll find plenty of repairs on them.
The installation on this newer stuff has to be perfect or it won’t work as well or last as long.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:54 pm to fareplay
I have lived in a home that was restored from 1924 and loved it. There are some things that are not quite like a new home. It was fun though going through the process of getting it registered by the historical society. We used things like the same 200 year old wood in it. I currently live in a 5 year old house. It is great also but you do not have the same charm as an older house.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:54 pm to fareplay
Complete bullshite on the materials. Now all of these small lot sub-divisions with 3 floor plans and quickly slapped together... that can be an issue.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:56 pm to MightyYat
Seems like most of the newer custom homes I see have high ceilings and have 2x6 walls (including mine). The zip system also seems much better than the house wrap they were using 20 yrs ago.
One thing I do see problems with is with whatever they are using for "stucco" now. Like $800K + homes built in the last 3-5 years having sections taken off and redone for water intrusion. Particular problems i see are around windows and any balcony structures protruding from the face of the house.
One thing I do see problems with is with whatever they are using for "stucco" now. Like $800K + homes built in the last 3-5 years having sections taken off and redone for water intrusion. Particular problems i see are around windows and any balcony structures protruding from the face of the house.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:58 pm to fareplay
Homes that were built 100+ years ago were mostly made of wood. If stone was prevalent in the area, some may have been built of stone. It's possible to have a home built of brick that old, but I don't recall seeing any. FWIW, I'm talking about common homes and not plantation homes.
Old growth wood is much better than new growth as other posters have already pointed out. A wood house has to be painted and kept painted. Paint today is many times superior than paint from 100 years ago (even ignoring lead-based paint).
As brick homes became an option, many homeowners chose them because a brick home doesn't need to be painted. Yes, the wood trim, fascia, soffit, etc. needs to be painted but the bricks do not. This was seen as a huge advancement in having less exterior maintenance.
Then came all types of exterior siding that came in 4x8 sheets. This allowed houses to be built more quickly and with less expense. Many of these products were terrible. Vinyl and metal siding came on the scene with all of the problems you would expect with such materials.
Next came James Hardie products (cement fiber). These seem to be quite good overall but a lot depends on the installer.
Houses built 100+ years ago didn't have any electrical or indoor plumbing at the time they were built. Plumbing and electrical was retrofitted. Old plumbing and old wiring generally are terrible. The use of aluminum wiring in the 70s was a terrible move. Thankfully, we're back to copper wiring.
Plumbing has seen many advances with use of different materials. One of the latest innovations is PEX for water lines.
Roofing went from wood, tin, asbestos shingles, asphalt shingles, clay tiles, and back to metal.
Insulation has become much better. Windows have become much better.
Homes from long ago were built by carpenters (and only carpenters). The same people did everything. In the mid 1900s, the building of houses slowly added specialization. First, plumbers and electricians. Now, it's highly specialized.
A 100+ year old home frequently has a lot of charm and character. Houses went through a period of incredible blandness. Fortunately, there's somewhat of a return to having more charm and character.
New homes can be fantastic. So much of it depends on the builder and the materials. Old homes can be fantastic too. It's usually super expensive to bring a really old home to current standards of comfort, safety, and convenience.
Old growth wood is much better than new growth as other posters have already pointed out. A wood house has to be painted and kept painted. Paint today is many times superior than paint from 100 years ago (even ignoring lead-based paint).
As brick homes became an option, many homeowners chose them because a brick home doesn't need to be painted. Yes, the wood trim, fascia, soffit, etc. needs to be painted but the bricks do not. This was seen as a huge advancement in having less exterior maintenance.
Then came all types of exterior siding that came in 4x8 sheets. This allowed houses to be built more quickly and with less expense. Many of these products were terrible. Vinyl and metal siding came on the scene with all of the problems you would expect with such materials.
Next came James Hardie products (cement fiber). These seem to be quite good overall but a lot depends on the installer.
Houses built 100+ years ago didn't have any electrical or indoor plumbing at the time they were built. Plumbing and electrical was retrofitted. Old plumbing and old wiring generally are terrible. The use of aluminum wiring in the 70s was a terrible move. Thankfully, we're back to copper wiring.
Plumbing has seen many advances with use of different materials. One of the latest innovations is PEX for water lines.
Roofing went from wood, tin, asbestos shingles, asphalt shingles, clay tiles, and back to metal.
Insulation has become much better. Windows have become much better.
Homes from long ago were built by carpenters (and only carpenters). The same people did everything. In the mid 1900s, the building of houses slowly added specialization. First, plumbers and electricians. Now, it's highly specialized.
A 100+ year old home frequently has a lot of charm and character. Houses went through a period of incredible blandness. Fortunately, there's somewhat of a return to having more charm and character.
New homes can be fantastic. So much of it depends on the builder and the materials. Old homes can be fantastic too. It's usually super expensive to bring a really old home to current standards of comfort, safety, and convenience.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:58 pm to fareplay
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Is it true that the wood and build quality these days are lacking?
Yes. Very much so.
And the actual quality of construction is worse.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:58 pm to fareplay
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I’m anti boomer in most things but this house got me: LINK We lost and very very bummed
For $1.8, I’d like to think they could have enclosed the water heater somewhere
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