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Posted on 3/16/24 at 9:02 am to Free888
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So the stock price and profit don’t matter? That’s what the CFO is for
So then why isn’t the engineering the Chief engineers fault?
So is the CEO the one at fault or not? You can’t say to outsource one thing to other execs and then pick and choose another was a bad idea
Posted on 3/16/24 at 9:02 am to GeauxxxTigers23
The atlas guy? Was he dei? I read where he had washed out at a previous airline with an evaluation that he tended to just start pushing buttons when faced with a pressure situation.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 9:06 am to wadewilson
Same bullshite argument Boeing made when airbus won the contract to make the air forces new tanker: that bumfricks in Mobile Alabama were too stupid to make good planes.
How the turns table.
How the turns table.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 9:06 am to The Boat
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Half of that reads like a guy from Seattle who doesn’t like Boeing moving to other places. “Trained Seattle workforce” lol. Like only the hippies in Seattle can build planes and they never hired anyone from anywhere else.
I realize this part will offend people because it sounds like he’s talking down to southerners but I think I can explain it better.
I think what he’s trying to say, is because Boeing stopped focusing on engineering they shipped a design with poor drawings, plans, and work instructions to a new work force in South Carolina. Doing so cost Boeing lot of tribal knowledge that the manufacturing groups in Seattle had accrued over time.
I see this everyday in industrial facilities. The bottom line always wins out and quality suffers. Then we go back to where we started.
This post was edited on 3/16/24 at 9:09 am
Posted on 3/16/24 at 9:07 am to Ghost of Colby
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I don’t agree with this part.
Less to do with the union itself than the experienced workforce at Seattle. Not to mention most of them have retired or getting close.
All these issues as of late have happened with the unionized workforce at Renton.
This post was edited on 3/16/24 at 9:08 am
Posted on 3/16/24 at 9:34 am to Ghost of Colby
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I don’t agree with this part.
Correct, the issues don’t seem to be in the Charleston workforce.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 9:36 am to Swagga
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think what he’s trying to say, is because Boeing stopped focusing on engineering they shipped a design with poor drawings, plans, and work instructions to a new work force in South Carolina
You realize there’s something called cloud storage where a guy in SC and a guy in Seattle can open the same documents online simultaneously? And that Airbus makes things in Alabama?
The issue here is not the location of the American workers.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 9:40 am to Ghost of Colby
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The financial geniuses then worked to break the union, shift production away from its trained Seattle work force to places like South Carolina
I don’t agree with this part.
The union was an intended side effect of the move to SC.
The focus should be that they left qualified employees in Seattle, not the union.
This post was edited on 3/16/24 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/16/24 at 9:59 am to TheHarahanian
I assure you that they brought plenty of long time Boeing employees down to Charleston when they opened their facilities.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 9:59 am to TygerTyger
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There’s no part of me that believes that union workers are more skilled, motivated, or produce a higher quality product.
Quite the opposite in fact.
20 odd years ago Im in the airport in NO and this guy sits down next to me at the bar, strikes up a conversation and asks me if Ive ever heard of a company down in the bayou called Cameco. I said I had, went near bankrupt in the oil bust and the employees scrapped together and bought it, and been rolling ever since.
He said he worked for a water pump company who sold water pumps to Caterpillar and had spent the previous two weeks at their plant in Ohio replacing faulty ones. Cameco is a subcontractor so he had to come down and swap theirs out the ones on the sprayers they were making for Cat.
He said Ohio is union, had to have a supervisor, train one guy at a time, took two weeks. Came to Cameco and the guy in operations met him and said, show me...but wait, and before he started the guy brought over two other fellas and they all climbed under a sprayer and he showed them how to swap the pump out. Went to call in the office and when he came back, the same three guys had three other guys and they were all under sprayers swaping out pumps.
Guy said what it took two weeks to do in a union shop these guys did the same amount in three days and every late afternoon, when he bought the beers, they took him fishing, crawfishing, and gator huntin.
Said it was a classic story for business schools, bullshite acronyms versus common sense.
They sold out to Cat, I hope all those baws made another few million on the deal (they bet the farm when they bought the place and most of them were millionaires by the time I had visited them).
Posted on 3/16/24 at 10:13 am to Ghost of Colby
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The financial geniuses then worked to break the union, shift production away from its trained Seattle work force to places like South Carolina
I don’t agree with this part.
I know your intent here is to defend the SC workforce as competent and not infused with DEI, but even given those facts, if the right people didn't come with the production to train and mentor, there are still going to be issues. That's 100% on management for not moving the right resources and personnel.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 5:45 pm to SM6
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I am all for reducing the power and influence of unions, especially skilled tradesman’s unions
Skilled trades is where unions are needed the most. The best tradesman are union trained.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 5:49 pm to TheHarahanian
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The focus should be that they left qualified employees in Seattle, not the union.
No, they left the employees because they can pay non-union guys in the south half of what they pay union guys in the north.
Knowing how to build the frickin plane wasn't a problem to Boeing.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 6:11 pm to RedRifle
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It then got new management, which emphasized financial chicanery over top flight engineering
Not developing a new aircraft from design to production to counter the A320 was a monumental error.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:10 pm to SouthPlains
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JDs
Notoriously conservative
I see you don't know a single AMLAW 100 or major corporate lawyer. You think JDs coming out of the Ivys are conservative? Seriously?
This post was edited on 3/16/24 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:55 am to Stealth Matrix
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The next major US air disaster will be directly tied to DEI.
They are working on it from aircraft manufacture, maintenance, air traffic control and flight crew.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 11:50 am to FOBW
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The atlas guy? Was he dei? I read where he had washed out at a previous airline with an evaluation that he tended to just start pushing buttons when faced with a pressure situation
He was a foreigner from some Caribbean country.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 2:37 pm to RedRifle
Sounds Like a corporate cover for DEI to me.
Unfortunately we haven't seen the worst yet. IMO
Unfortunately we haven't seen the worst yet. IMO
Posted on 3/17/24 at 4:51 pm to Stealth Matrix
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The next major US air disaster will be directly tied to DEI.
Not a chance. Diversity is our strength. There will probably never be a United plane crash again.
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